Talk:Art Is Resistance
Regarding the dates provided by soonerlater
(please, someone organize this discussion page later :P)
I think that the first dat doesn't matter. It's just soonerlater's mother's birthday. The real thing is that she died in the Oklahoma attack and that is the reason why soonerlater disagree with TheWarden. Oxxxid 16:24, 10 April 2007 (PDT)
And on the 19th of April 1995 a truck bomb at Federal Building in Oklahoma City explodes, killing 168 in an anti-government movement. It seems to fit the motive of the thread, make art not war.
--Quentin 17:11, 22 February 2007 (PST)
That was just a short summary, motive may not be the correct word. If you have been following this since the beginning, there have been many violent acts of resistance throughout the sites leading up to year zero. Everything to do with Year Zero to date has been fictional and set in a future time. This is the first instance I have seen a date mentioned on the Year Zero sites that is set in real time. Originally I put all of this info into the talk section of the article, but after reading the theory section already on display I decided to move it to the main page. I didn't create the theory page, but I thought it was less logical then the discoveries I had made so I shifted it there. You might not see the connection with the bombings, however it is a violent act of resistance against a government force, much in tune with the theme of yearzero. I see the boy using his mothers death as an example of where violent acts of resistance cost unnecessary lives, in response to TheWardens comment. The whole thread is an argument about art as a form of resistance compared to actual violent acts. Another reason I had moved it to the main page is that barely any people visit the talk section unless its to have a whinge, so out in the open in a "theories" section people can draw there own conclusions and maybe put a few more peices together. When someone creates a more indepth theories page surrounding the yearzero events, im sure it can be moved there. The point of this wikipedia isn't just to collect and display facts but to also help solve the puzzle.--Quentin 22:41, 22 February 2007 (PST)
No the AIR site opposes it, as do most of the people on the artist forum. When I said "make art not war" I was coming from the point of view that up til now most of yearzero has been about violent resistance, where as now people are coming forward who are against it. Going along with the theory, the bombing was just an instance soonerlater used to say "violence doesn't help the cause, it only causes more pain" in response to TheWarden's view. I tried to simplfy my theories so i didnt clutter the theory page but it seems it has caused it to come across meaning something different then what was intended. I've rewritten the last part of that paragraph to try make it a little easier to explain --Quentin 23:12, 22 February 2007 (PST)
This is probably a -really- big stretch, but in the dates listed, if you add up the digits of the first few numbers (10, 1967), it adds up to... 24 (1 + 1 + 9 + 6 + 7). If you then look at "Apr 19, 1995" seperate that into "Apr 19" and "1995", convert April to it's month number (4) and add up the digits to the first one (4 + 1 + 9), you end up with 14. The sum of the last few digits (1 + 9 + 9 + 5) are also 24, leaving you with 24.14.24. Total stretch, but track 14 on Year Zero is Another Version of the Truth, the fourteenth character being the last one: 'h'. --Drake 23:45, 22 February 2007 (PST)
Thats a pretty good observation. One more thing about that site is the dates all read 02/03/000 in both the posts and the reproductions in the background, unlike on the rest of the forum where 02/10/0000 is reflected as 02/04/0000. An exception to this though is Iridium's post where 02/03/0000 which appears to reflect as 02/00/0000... no day? --Quentin 18:58, 22 February 2007 (PST)
About The Warden
Has anyone considered the fact that this TheWarden person might be The Angry Sniper? His writing style seems rather similar, both in the gratuitous use of profanity and the extremely high levels of condescension present. If he's not the Sniper himself, perhaps he's another veteran from the 105th?
Just a thought.
-- Wesker 19:22, 5 March 2007 (PST)
I think the .38 to .45 is a reference to gun calibers personally, not religion. Oh and see how they mention World War 4 in there, asif world war 3 has already happened? cool.
"The AIR logo might be seen to resemble, highly stylized, the hand-shape known as 'the Presence' (a thumb and three fingers)." The AIR logo also can be seen to resemble a highly stylised American flag, with a single star and three stripes. --Kabl00ey 23:38, 24 March 2007 (PDT)
I'd like to suggest creating a seperate page for the logo/emblem as it has turned up in recent releases (ie the "Letting You" song image). Maybe we can point out the diffent places it has appeared (OSR website, etc). Thoughts? Aeontriad 14:39, 23 June 2008 (PDT)
I took a stab at cleaning up the Theories section. Is it safe to take the wikify tag down? MadCactus 17:23, 10 April 2007 (PDT)
New AiR site
I know it's only a possibility, But has anyone checked out spira.tv yet? "Spira studio's" email server. there is a barcode on the main page, and i dont have a scanner