https://www.nin.wiki/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Quentin&feedformat=atomnin.wiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-28T19:04:36ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.34.4https://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Free_Rebel_Art&diff=10202Talk:Free Rebel Art2007-04-15T07:22:47Z<p>Quentin: New page: The cd was released in Australia in stores on 14th of april. The original release date was intended to be the 17th according to the nin websites, so the sites mentioned in the booklet may ...</p>
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<div>The cd was released in Australia in stores on 14th of april. The original release date was intended to be the 17th according to the nin websites, so the sites mentioned in the booklet may be delayed until then [[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 00:22, 15 April 2007 (PDT)</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Year_Zero_Numbers&diff=7112Talk:Year Zero Numbers2007-03-13T22:35:26Z<p>Quentin: </p>
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<div>Forgive my ignorance, but can someone please elaborate on how the numbers "correspond" with specific letters?<br />
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Found in the Morse Code at the end of recording found at phone number 1-216-333-1810.<br />
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Corresponds with the letter "s" )<br />
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Thanks.<br />
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I have no problem with the bible references being merged into this article. I envisioned this article having more bulk - more explanations about where the numbers were found, but it turns out that there is really no need. [[User:Nympholept|Nympholept]] 10:07, 16 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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Rearranging all the letters from the clues I have found that:<br />
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God given not in US war<br />
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can be found, does this mean anything? -velvolver<br />
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UPDATE: God given nation can be spelled out with WR U S left over...and with the new clue Y is there also.<br />
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The clue for 24.15.8 is a little iffy. How can we determine that's a clue just by counting the beats? We could do that for any song. Further more, the number 8 falls out of sequence with the numbers before it, and a good amount of these numbers are sequencial. I don't think 24.15.8 is a clue without further evidence to prove it. --[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 11:13, 1 March 2007 (PST)<br />
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With the new clues, the track number theory would bump year zero into having 19 tracks. I think this completely disproves that the numbers are referring to track numbers now. We need to look elsewhere than the year zero track listing and the Bible, as neither have been fruitful. --[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 11:13, 1 March 2007 (PST)<br />
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The Track Number + Letter Offset theory seems weak, unless it's meant to be an anagram. The "God Given" in the text doesn't seem to surprising since (a) "God Given" is the track title of track 10, and (b) nearly all the number sequences are sequential. So the fact that "godgiven" is clearly seen in the string of "corresponding characters" shouldn't be given too much weight.--[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 17:30, 28 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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The clue for 24.19.1 is weak, too. I don't see how that works. A screenshot would be nice backup for that one. --[[User:Tsguitar|Tsguitar]] 21:18, 28 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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(Kept for historic purposes I guess, but now I believe 19.1 is a clue, read below)<br />
I agree Tsguitar, the clue says that the >'s count as the number 19. Yet I don't see enough > to equate a 24, or an extra > left over for the 1. This isn't like the auto response e-mail on an earlier clue with the dashes between the 24 underscores and the other numbers.<br />
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Further more, are there clues in the HD-DVD version of BYIT?<br />
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addon: My mistake, don't add the Brackets all together, add line per line. Example: >> 2, >>>> 4 > 1 etc...<br />
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:I see it now. Thanks for the clarification. --[[User:Tsguitar|Tsguitar]] 22:36, 1 March 2007 (PST)<br />
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== Federal Orderly Conduct Act ==<br />
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How about the fact that one of the numbers, 24.13.1, directly references a section of the Federal Orderly Conduct Act? <br />
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I'll be speaking within the context of the Year Zero universe after this sentence - just saying this to avoid confusion.<br />
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Unless the raid of Art Is Resistance was a hoax, those who have been spreading the numbers have a lot of explaining to do. All of the numbers have been in the form 24.{3-19}.{1-8}, just like the section of the Act. So, everyone who has posted a number in this form, both government sanctioned and resistance, has been directly referencing a law that should be publicly documented.<br />
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I think this is a strong clue to the numbers' significance. A copy of the Federal Orderly Conduct Act would be helpful (guess we'll just have to wait for them to write that one in).<br />
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By the way, I honestly didn't know that someone on echoing the sound already made this connection. Still worth brining it up here.<br />
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That's an excellent idea...you should have signed that post. Perhaps each number is a part of the Act that was violated by the website. Are the websites scrambled due to being attacked by the Feds or by distortion from time travel (part of another theory).--[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 11:39, 2 March 2007 (PST)<br />
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Thanks. Not sure if there's anyway to prove it now, but the last post was mine. But anyway, assuming that the Church Of Plano is government sanctioned, why would the Feds attack it? --[[User:Augmatic|Augmatic]] 11:52, 2 March 2007 (PST)<br />
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You can nearly sig anything, I've left about half the sigs on my posts. But the feds attacked the church of plano?<br />
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It seems more likely to me that the Federal Orderly Conduct Act warning was just a convenient way to give us another number. Citing specific sections of the act doesn't seem particularly interesting by itself, even with the act in hand. --[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 22:19, 3 March 2007 (PST)<br />
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== Significance to /0024 ? ==<br />
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I can't help but think that these numbers have something to do with the page http://yearzero.nin.com/0024. All of the numbers start with 24. They don't refer to line numbers and characters in the HTML source for the page, nor (x, y) pixel references in the image. Does anyone else follow this train of thought?<br />
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Well, Year Zero is Halo 24. Just a thought. --[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 11:09, 7 March 2007 (PST)<br />
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== Numbers equal Dating ==<br />
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With the new site from the lithograph, mailstrom, I noticed the sent date was 06 0000. And the number on the page is 24.1.1<br />
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:I believe that the numbers could just be a way of dating the events of year zero, giving us a time line. Currently starting with mailstrom and so far ending with the operationswamp site.<br />
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::I'm not so sure. Operation Chip Sweep is dated back in January and the site has the number 24.20.2. In contrast, Mailstrom has 24.1.1 and is also dated in January.--[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 09:47, 12 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Sequential Runs: Just a grouping mechanism? ==<br />
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So far all the 24.x.y sequences have consecutive runs for "y". They also seem to come in clusters sharing the same value for 'x'. Could it be that these breadcrumbs are merely there to let us know that a particular set of sites and other artifacts should be considered as a group, and if a number is missing in the sequence that we need to go look for the missing member of the group? In that case, these are just the edges of the puzzle pieces, showing us how the sites/artifacts fit together, and not much more. Not terribly satisfying, but judging by the patterns, it makes a certain amount of sense. --[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 11:11, 12 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Could these be IP addresses? ==<br />
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Could these be the last three parts of IP addresses? It wouldn't be inconceivable that all of ??.24.xx.xx to be registered by the marketing company. If the the first number (??) could be found or just guessed at (there's only a limited number of IPv4 numbers available to US sites) these may mean something. Also IP addresses can be located (in real world terms and in terms of DNS) by [http://www.webyield.net/domainquery.html this tool], -- [[User:OTW|OTW]] 17:15, 12 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
:IP addresses always have four sets of numbers. -[[User:Heroicraptor|Heroicraptor]] 17:22, 12 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
:It would also be a bit of a stretch considering it's Halo 24, and they don't put down the first set of digits. --[[User:Tony|Tony]] 17:25, 12 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Unannounced Tracks? ==<br />
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someone mentioned on another discussion page the possibility that the rows of zeros at the bottom of the yearzero.nin.com tracklist may indicate tracks that the titles have not been released for.<br />
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there appears to be 6 to 8 discerneble lines of 0s, suggesting a total tracking of 22-24 tracks...<br />
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if so, then maybe the number sequence still makes some sense?--[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 00:32, 13 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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: Going on that theory, I'd find it more plausible that those 6-8 lines correspond to the various texts we've found references to. --[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 07:51, 13 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:: The snippets of text bleeding through the various pages are a product of the Pilgrims Expierement from SBI (The Flash IRC Conversation rather explains that whole situation on the Pilgrims Page.) at least, that's what corresponds most directly to why that text is all over the place. --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 08:35, 13 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:::Please explain the text bleeding from the pilgrims experiment! Also I highly doubt the numbers refer to the track listings anymore, that was shot all to hell with 24.19.X showed up. There's tons better theories on what the numbers are, and a 22-24 track album would have to be a double disc.--[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 08:43, 13 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::::If you look on the backgrounds of many Year Zero sites, you'll see snippets of text. These come from various places, such as The Stand, Slaughterhouse 5, The Origin of the Species, and so on. In the IRC logs, they mention "mining banned music/books" for their "key text." So, it seems entirely plausible to me that the number groups refer to stuff from the track listing <I>and</I> from the works they're quoting. That said, I personally don't think the 24.x.x numbers are halo.track.letter, even if track &gt; 16 refers to one of the books that shown up. I've always been pretty skeptical of that theory. The number groups are too sequential. --[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 09:12, 13 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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Double disc still ain't out of the question though. The Fragile anyone? And besides I doubt those extra lines of zero's represent the texts. As much as they are part of the year zero universe unfolding, they aren't actually Reznor's work.--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 15:35, 13 March 2007 (PDT)</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Operation_Swamp_0000&diff=7111Talk:Operation Swamp 00002007-03-13T22:28:43Z<p>Quentin: </p>
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<div>I have a jpg of the cut and paste, but I didn't know where the best place to put it would be.<br />
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nevermind. my dumbass figured it out.<br />
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I think he actually meant thinking wasn't the criminals "strong suit", not the british people lol --[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 15:28, 13 March 2007 (PDT)</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Year_Zero&diff=6493Talk:Year Zero2007-03-07T07:20:23Z<p>Quentin: Wtf?</p>
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<div>==Cover art==<br />
I found the image of the Year Zero cover on the symphony of noise webpage that was found in the USB of "Me,I'm Not" (although when updating I stated it was from the "My Violent Heart" mp3 by mistake)... Hope you don't mind [[User:Jgrizzy89|Jgrizzy89]] 06:13, 24 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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: The text in the picture you uploaded appears to be added by a fan. I Have replaced the image you linked to with the official cover as posted on nin.com<br />
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Yeah, I realized that after I ran it through a graphics coordinator I own... Sorry about that mistake, and thanks for the revert back! Don't forget to sign after a post or talk with four ~<br />
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=="Zero-Gen-Ten"==<br />
Does anyone know what the source is for the bonus track Zero-Gen-Ten? [[User:Rtiztik|Rtiztik]] 12:10, 3 March 2007 (PST)<br />
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:Nevermind, I researched it and found that ''Zero-Gen-Ten'' isnt a japan bonus track, it's the subtitle name of the japan version of the album. [[User:Rtiztik|Rtiztik]] 12:54, 3 March 2007 (PST)<br />
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How are the track times listed for unreleased tracks? Am I missing something? --[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 23:20, 6 March 2007 (PST)</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Sitius&diff=6492User talk:Sitius2007-03-07T07:18:54Z<p>Quentin: </p>
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<div>How do you know the unreleased tracks length??<br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 23:18, 6 March 2007 (PST)</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Sitius&diff=6491User talk:Sitius2007-03-07T07:18:45Z<p>Quentin: </p>
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<div>How do you know the unreleased tracks length??</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Hollywood_in_Memoriam&diff=5399Talk:Hollywood in Memoriam2007-02-26T05:01:05Z<p>Quentin: </p>
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<div>24.17.1 .... ever think maybe all the zero's at the bottom of the yearzero website might be a track in itself?</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=File_talk:Yearzero_cover.jpg&diff=5398File talk:Yearzero cover.jpg2007-02-26T04:55:54Z<p>Quentin: </p>
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<div>How did anyone find this image? I don't see a link to it anywhere or any kind of history about how people found it. --[[User:Tsguitar|Tsguitar]] 22:01, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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:http://www.theninhotline.net/news/archives/backissue/07/2#1172162176 and http://www.theninhotline.net/news/archives/backissue/07/2#1172207117 --[[User:Pomte|Pomte]] 22:23, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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Thanks for the references. Someone should add that information to the main entry page, along with the explanation that the filename is what's leading some to believe that this is the cover art (I really hope that's not the actual cover art...). --[[User:Tsguitar|Tsguitar]] 22:46, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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I agree, I dont think it would be the greatest cover art for the final product. It does bear resemblance to the cover art of "Everyday is Exactly the Same" tho. Also worth noting is it is now the cover for the Year Zero tracks on the NIN myspace page where there previously wasn't one. Maybe it could just be a temporary cover for that purpose alone...?--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 23:03, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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:I noticed that about the NIN myspace as well. I'm hoping it's temporary. --[[User:Tsguitar|Tsguitar]] 00:23, 23 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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Hmmmm.... yearzero cover ain't on myspace no more. Maybe they just F'd up when adding "me, im not" to the player, or maybe it was just a concept. HMMMMM --[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 20:55, 25 February 2007 (PST)</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:In_This_Twilight&diff=5396Talk:In This Twilight2007-02-26T04:52:39Z<p>Quentin: hmmmm?</p>
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<div>Do you think the reason Trent could be handing out these tracks (other then for marketing purposes) is to show that with a strong fan basis it won't really affect the sale of the album? I mean theres no doubt that he would know how far and fast the tracks are spreading, so if it bothered him he could have stopped it after the first. Maybe it could be an attack on musician's that feel that the internet is crippling there income... If this is the case make sure you get out there and prove him right by buying the album. Not that you wouldn't be anyway.. there's nothing like adding another shiny halo to the collection.<br />
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<div>I think the .38 to .45 is a reference to gun calibers personally, not religion. Oh and see how they mention World War 4 in there, asif world war 3 has already happened? cool.<br />
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And on the 19th of April 1995 a truck bomb at Federal Building in Oklahoma City explodes, killing 168 in an anti-government movement. It seems to fit the motive of the thread, make art not war.<br />
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--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 17:11, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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:"It seems to fit the motive of the thread, make art not war." It does? How does the bombing tie in to art? I don't see that bombing as an act of making art instead of war, which is what it would need to be to fit any kind of motive to the thread; I don't see how you're connecting that bombing to any kind of motive. Further, should that kind conjecture be on the main page for this entry? That's the kind of assumption that belongs on the Talk page, but to see it in the actual entry only takes away from the credibility of the page/site. --[[User:Tsguitar|Tsguitar]] 22:08, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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That was just a short summary, motive may not be the correct word. If you have been following this since the beginning, there have been many violent acts of resistance throughout the sites leading up to year zero. Everything to do with Year Zero to date has been fictional and set in a future time. This is the first instance I have seen a date mentioned on the Year Zero sites that is set in real time. Originally I put all of this info into the talk section of the article, but after reading the theory section already on display I decided to move it to the main page. I didn't create the theory page, but I thought it was less logical then the discoveries I had made so I shifted it there. You might not see the connection with the bombings, however it is a violent act of resistance against a government force, much in tune with the theme of yearzero. I see the boy using his mothers death as an example of where violent acts of resistance cost unnecessary lives, in response to TheWardens comment. The whole thread is an argument about art as a form of resistance compared to actual violent acts. Another reason I had moved it to the main page is that barely any people visit the talk section unless its to have a whinge, so out in the open in a "theories" section people can draw there own conclusions and maybe put a few more peices together. When someone creates a more indepth theories page surrounding the yearzero events, im sure it can be moved there. The point of this wikipedia isn't just to collect and display facts but to also help solve the puzzle.--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 22:41, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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:I'm not so sure that violent acts in resistance to the government is what the AIR site suggests. The "Tools" page definitely offers other alternatives. Simply the title of the site implies a more civil disobedience (or at least a less violent one). When you add "make art not war" to your musing, you imply that the Oklahoma bombing is art, not war. I have a hard time with that and I'm not sure that's what you meant. Good point about the purpose of this Wiki. I hadn't thought of it quite like that as a writer, though I've been using this quite like that as a reader. --[[User:Tsguitar|Tsguitar]] 22:57, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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No the AIR site opposes it, as do most of the people on the artist forum. When I said "make art not war" I was coming from the point of view that up til now most of yearzero has been about violent resistance, where as now people are coming forward who are against it. Going along with the theory, the bombing was just an instance soonerlater used to say "violence doesn't help the cause, it only causes more pain" in response to TheWarden's view. I tried to simplfy my theories so i didnt clutter the theory page but it seems it has caused it to come across meaning something different then what was intended. I've rewritten the last part of that paragraph to try make it a little easier to explain --[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 23:12, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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:The Oklahoma Bombings were also looked at as a government conspiracy to cover up other things. Therefore, the whole backdrop of the album (the U.S. Gov't wagind war on the U.S. citizens) can be seen through this event. It could be when the government started to 'wage' war on the citizens or to cover up it's own mistakes or actions... I dunno, haven't done enough research on it, but it's interesting... I have continually tried to find if anyone that was killed in the bombings was also born on the dates given for the child's mom... Any info? [[User:Jgrizzy89|Jgrizzy89]] 17:42, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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I believe the actual identy of the childs mother is unimportant, the dates just there to link us to the bombing. Year Zero is a fictional environment, so i think the point of mentioning a real world incident would be to tie current real-world events to the possible grim future of Year Zero and give it some weight. Possibly the whole idea behind Year Zero is to give us a glimpse of hell, then point out what's really going on in the world that's driving us to a similar fate, and what we should do about it.<br />
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This is probably a -really- big stretch, but in the dates listed, if you add up the digits of the first few numbers (1,10, 1967), it adds up to... 24 (1 + 1 + 9 + 6 + 7). If you then look at "Apr 19, 1995" seperate that into "Apr 19" and "1995", convert April to it's month number (4) and add up the digits to the first one (4 + 1 + 9), you end up with 14. The sum of the last few digits (1 + 9 + 9 + 5) are also 24, leaving you with 24.14.24. Total stretch, but track 14 on Year Zero is Another Version of the Truth, the fourteenth character being the last one: 'h'.<br />
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Thats a pretty good observation. One more thing about that site is the dates all read 02/03/000 in both the posts and the reproductions in the background, unlike on the rest of the forum where 02/10/0000 is reflected as 02/04/0000. An exception to this though is Iridium's post where 02/03/0000 which appears to reflect as 02/00/0000... no day? <br />
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==Website==<br />
[http://www.artisresistance.com/ http://www.artisresistance.com/]<br />
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The URL for this website was found on a flyer at the Feb. 22, 2007 show in Paris, France. The logos shown on the site are consistent with the [http://www.nin.com/current/photos/2_21_07.jpg 2_21_07] image posted on the nin.com/current site. <br />
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There are two known links on the main page. The first links to a previously undiscovered thread on [[Another Version of the Truth (website)]]. The second links to a 'tools' page which provides downloads of the [[Resistance Logo]] in various formats. <br />
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==Theories==<br />
"You think spray painting shit is going to make a fucking difference? All this art <br />
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This may relate to biblical passages:<br />
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These dates could be a phone number, or manipulated to find the next clue.<br />
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Another way to look at the numbers is that .38 to .45 is a reference to gun calibers, and not religion. Suggesting TheWarden wants them to amp up the damage.<br />
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The dates given by soonerlater about his mothers death may link to the fact that on the 19th of April 1995 a truck bomb at a federal building in Oklahoma City exploded, killing 168 in an anti-government movement. An incident like this seems to fit in with the idea that some people on the thread are choosing to show there resistance through art and not violence due to the loss of innocent life an event like this can cause.<br />
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Info on this event can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing<br />
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Something else worth mentioning is that CazzazaKid says "he just wanted to tell us AIR has flatlined, not start WW4", suggesting that World War 3 has already happened.<br />
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Also note that the Artist topic linked via the Art Is Resistance website contains text in the background which when compiled is the same passage from Slaughterhouse-Five found on the Wire-Tap website.<br />
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==Jan. 10, 1967==<br />
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President Lyndon B. Johnson's State of the Union address:<br />
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Jan. 10, 1967: ...We have chosen to fight a limited war in Vietnam in an attempt to prevent a larger war--a war almost certain to follow, I believe, if the Communists succeed in overrunning and taking over South Vietnam by aggression and by force. I believe, and I am supported by some authority, that if they are not checked now the world can expect to pay a greater price to check them later.<br />
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<div>I think the .38 to .45 is a reference to gun calibers personally, not religion. Oh and see how they mention World War 4 in there, asif world war 3 has already happened? cool.<br />
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And on the 19th of April 1995 a truck bomb at Federal Building in Oklahoma City explodes, killing 168 in an anti-government movement. It seems to fit the motive of the thread, make art not war.<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing<br />
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--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 17:11, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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:"It seems to fit the motive of the thread, make art not war." It does? How does the bombing tie in to art? I don't see that bombing as an act of making art instead of war, which is what it would need to be to fit any kind of motive to the thread; I don't see how you're connecting that bombing to any kind of motive. Further, should that kind conjecture be on the main page for this entry? That's the kind of assumption that belongs on the Talk page, but to see it in the actual entry only takes away from the credibility of the page/site. --[[User:Tsguitar|Tsguitar]] 22:08, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
That was just a short summary, motive may not be the correct word. If you have been following this since the beginning, there have been many violent acts of resistance throughout the sites leading up to year zero. Everything to do with Year Zero to date has been fictional and set in a future time. This is the first instance I have seen a date mentioned on the Year Zero sites that is set in real time. Originally I put all of this info into the talk section of the article, but after reading the theory section already on display I decided to move it to the main page. I didn't create the theory page, but I thought it was less logical then the discoveries I had made so I shifted it there. You might not see the connection with the bombings, however it is a violent act of resistance against a government force, much in tune with the theme of yearzero. I see the boy using his mothers death as an example of where violent acts of resistance cost unnecessary lives, in response to TheWardens comment. The whole thread is an argument about art as a form of resistance compared to actual violent acts. Another reason I had moved it to the main page is that barely any people visit the talk section unless its to have a whinge, so out in the open in a "theories" section people can draw there own conclusions and maybe put a few more peices together. When someone creates a more indepth theories page surrounding the yearzero events, im sure it can be moved there. The point of this wikipedia isn't just to collect and display facts but to also help solve the puzzle.--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 22:41, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
:I'm not so sure that violent acts in resistance to the government is what the AIR site suggests. The "Tools" page definitely offers other alternatives. Simply the title of the site implies a more civil disobedience (or at least a less violent one). When you add "make art not war" to your musing, you imply that the Oklahoma bombing is art, not war. I have a hard time with that and I'm not sure that's what you meant. Good point about the purpose of this Wiki. I hadn't thought of it quite like that as a writer, though I've been using this quite like that as a reader. --[[User:Tsguitar|Tsguitar]] 22:57, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
No the AIR site opposes it, as do most of the people on the artist forum. When I said "make art not war" I was coming from the point of view that up til now most of yearzero has been about violent resistance, where as now people are coming forward who are against it. Going along with the theory, the bombing was just an instance soonerlater used to say "violence doesn't help the cause, it only causes more pain" in response to TheWarden's view. I tried to simplfy my theories so i didnt clutter the theory page but it seems it has caused it to come across meaning something different then what was intended. --[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 23:12, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
:The Oklahoma Bombings were also looked at as a government conspiracy to cover up other things. Therefore, the whole backdrop of the album (the U.S. Gov't wagind war on the U.S. citizens) can be seen through this event. It could be when the government started to 'wage' war on the citizens or to cover up it's own mistakes or actions... I dunno, haven't done enough research on it, but it's interesting... I have continually tried to find if anyone that was killed in the bombings was also born on the dates given for the child's mom... Any info? [[User:Jgrizzy89|Jgrizzy89]] 17:42, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
I believe the actual identy of the childs mother is unimportant, the dates just there to link us to the bombing. Year Zero is a fictional environment, so i think the point of mentioning a real world incident would be to tie current real-world events to the possible grim future of Year Zero and give it some weight. Possibly the whole idea behind Year Zero is to give us a glimpse of hell, then point out what's really going on in the world that's driving us to a similar fate, and what we should do about it.<br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 17:56, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
This is probably a -really- big stretch, but in the dates listed, if you add up the digits of the first few numbers (1,10, 1967), it adds up to... 24 (1 + 1 + 9 + 6 + 7). If you then look at "Apr 19, 1995" seperate that into "Apr 19" and "1995", convert April to it's month number (4) and add up the digits to the first one (4 + 1 + 9), you end up with 14. The sum of the last few digits (1 + 9 + 9 + 5) are also 24, leaving you with 24.14.24. Total stretch, but track 14 on Year Zero is Another Version of the Truth, the fourteenth character being the last one: 'h'.<br />
<br />
Thats a pretty good observation. One more thing about that site is the dates all read 02/03/000 in both the posts and the reproductions in the background, unlike on the rest of the forum where 02/10/0000 is reflected as 02/04/0000. An exception to this though is Iridium's post where 02/03/0000 which appears to reflect as 02/00/0000... no day? <br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 18:58, 22 February 2007 (PST)</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=File_talk:Yearzero_cover.jpg&diff=4478File talk:Yearzero cover.jpg2007-02-23T07:03:07Z<p>Quentin: </p>
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<div>How did anyone find this image? I don't see a link to it anywhere or any kind of history about how people found it. --[[User:Tsguitar|Tsguitar]] 22:01, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
:http://www.theninhotline.net/news/archives/backissue/07/2#1172162176 and http://www.theninhotline.net/news/archives/backissue/07/2#1172207117 --[[User:Pomte|Pomte]] 22:23, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
Thanks for the references. Someone should add that information to the main entry page, along with the explanation that the filename is what's leading some to believe that this is the cover art (I really hope that's not the actual cover art...). --[[User:Tsguitar|Tsguitar]] 22:46, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
I agree, I dont think it would be the greatest cover art for the final product. It does bear resemblance to the cover art of "Everyday is Exactly the Same" tho. Also worth noting is it is now the cover for the Year Zero tracks on the NIN myspace page where there previously wasn't one. Maybe it could just be a temporary cover for that purpose alone...?--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 23:03, 22 February 2007 (PST)</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Art_Is_Resistance&diff=4475Talk:Art Is Resistance2007-02-23T06:41:47Z<p>Quentin: </p>
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<div>I think the .38 to .45 is a reference to gun calibers personally, not religion. Oh and see how they mention World War 4 in there, asif world war 3 has already happened? cool.<br />
<br />
And on the 19th of April 1995 a truck bomb at Federal Building in Oklahoma City explodes, killing 168 in an anti-government movement. It seems to fit the motive of the thread, make art not war.<br />
<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing<br />
<br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 17:11, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
:"It seems to fit the motive of the thread, make art not war." It does? How does the bombing tie in to art? I don't see that bombing as an act of making art instead of war, which is what it would need to be to fit any kind of motive to the thread; I don't see how you're connecting that bombing to any kind of motive. Further, should that kind conjecture be on the main page for this entry? That's the kind of assumption that belongs on the Talk page, but to see it in the actual entry only takes away from the credibility of the page/site. --[[User:Tsguitar|Tsguitar]] 22:08, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
That was just a short summary, motive may not be the correct word. If you have been following this since the beginning, there have been many violent acts of resistance throughout the sites leading up to year zero. Everything to do with Year Zero to date has been fictional and set in a future time. This is the first instance I have seen a date mentioned on the Year Zero sites that is set in real time. Originally I put all of this info into the talk section of the article, but after reading the theory section already on display I decided to move it to the main page. I didn't create the theory page, but I thought it was less logical then the discoveries I had made so I shifted it there. You might not see the connection with the bombings, however it is a violent act of resistance against a government force, much in tune with the theme of yearzero. I see the boy using his mothers death as an example of where violent acts of resistance cost unnecessary lives, in response to TheWardens comment. The whole thread is an argument about art as a form of resistance compared to actual violent acts. Another reason I had moved it to the main page is that barely any people visit the talk section unless its to have a whinge, so out in the open in a "theories" section people can draw there own conclusions and maybe put a few more peices together. When someone creates a more indepth theories page surrounding the yearzero events, im sure it can be moved there. The point of this wikipedia isn't just to collect and display facts but to also help solve the puzzle.--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 22:41, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
:The Oklahoma Bombings were also looked at as a government conspiracy to cover up other things. Therefore, the whole backdrop of the album (the U.S. Gov't wagind war on the U.S. citizens) can be seen through this event. It could be when the government started to 'wage' war on the citizens or to cover up it's own mistakes or actions... I dunno, haven't done enough research on it, but it's interesting... I have continually tried to find if anyone that was killed in the bombings was also born on the dates given for the child's mom... Any info? [[User:Jgrizzy89|Jgrizzy89]] 17:42, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
I believe the actual identy of the childs mother is unimportant, the dates just there to link us to the bombing. Year Zero is a fictional environment, so i think the point of mentioning a real world incident would be to tie current real-world events to the possible grim future of Year Zero and give it some weight. Possibly the whole idea behind Year Zero is to give us a glimpse of hell, then point out what's really going on in the world that's driving us to a similar fate, and what we should do about it.<br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 17:56, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
This is probably a -really- big stretch, but in the dates listed, if you add up the digits of the first few numbers (1,10, 1967), it adds up to... 24 (1 + 1 + 9 + 6 + 7). If you then look at "Apr 19, 1995" seperate that into "Apr 19" and "1995", convert April to it's month number (4) and add up the digits to the first one (4 + 1 + 9), you end up with 14. The sum of the last few digits (1 + 9 + 9 + 5) are also 24, leaving you with 24.14.24. Total stretch, but track 14 on Year Zero is Another Version of the Truth, the fourteenth character being the last one: 'h'.<br />
<br />
Thats a pretty good observation. One more thing about that site is the dates all read 02/03/000 in both the posts and the reproductions in the background, unlike on the rest of the forum where 02/10/0000 is reflected as 02/04/0000. An exception to this though is Iridium's post where 02/03/0000 which appears to reflect as 02/00/0000... no day? <br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 18:58, 22 February 2007 (PST)</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Quaplud&diff=4463User talk:Quaplud2007-02-23T05:00:27Z<p>Quentin: </p>
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<div>I was thinking of a vietnam connection with reguards to the conscript from the US wiretap site. An agent who crys orange tears ----> The Agent Orange Quilt of Tears. :S<br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 21:00, 22 February 2007 (PST)</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Quaplud&diff=4462User talk:Quaplud2007-02-23T05:00:13Z<p>Quentin: </p>
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<div>I was thinking of a vietnam connection with reguards to the conscript from the US wiretap site. An agent who crys orange tears ----> The Agent Orange Quilt of Tears. :S</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Art_Is_Resistance&diff=4453Talk:Art Is Resistance2007-02-23T03:55:16Z<p>Quentin: </p>
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<div>I think the .38 to .45 is a reference to gun calibers personally, not religion. Oh and see how they mention World War 4 in there, asif world war 3 has already happened? cool.<br />
<br />
And on the 19th of April 1995 a truck bomb at Federal Building in Oklahoma City explodes, killing 168 in an anti-government movement. It seems to fit the motive of the thread, make art not war.<br />
<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing<br />
<br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 17:11, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
:The Oklahoma Bombings were also looked at as a government conspiracy to cover up other things. Therefore, the whole backdrop of the album (the U.S. Gov't wagind war on the U.S. citizens) can be seen through this event. It could be when the government started to 'wage' war on the citizens or to cover up it's own mistakes or actions... I dunno, haven't done enough research on it, but it's interesting... I have continually tried to find if anyone that was killed in the bombings was also born on the dates given for the child's mom... Any info? [[User:Jgrizzy89|Jgrizzy89]] 17:42, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
I believe the actual identy of the childs mother is unimportant, the dates just there to link us to the bombing. Year Zero is a fictional environment, so i think the point of mentioning a real world incident would be to tie current real-world events to the possible grim future of Year Zero and give it some weight. Possibly the whole idea behind Year Zero is to give us a glimpse of hell, then point out what's really going on in the world that's driving us to a similar fate, and what we should do about it.<br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 17:56, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
This is probably a -really- big stretch, but in the dates listed, if you add up the digits of the first few numbers (1,10, 1967), it adds up to... 24 (1 + 1 + 9 + 6 + 7). If you then look at "Apr 19, 1995" seperate that into "Apr 19" and "1995", convert April to it's month number (4) and add up the digits to the first one (4 + 1 + 9), you end up with 14. The sum of the last few digits (1 + 9 + 9 + 5) are also 24, leaving you with 24.14.24. Total stretch, but track 14 on Year Zero is Another Version of the Truth, the fourteenth character being the last one: 'h'.<br />
<br />
Thats a pretty good observation. One more thing about that site is the dates all read 02/03/000 in both the posts and the reproductions in the background, unlike on the rest of the forum where 02/10/0000 is reflected as 02/04/0000. An exception to this though is Iridium's post where 02/03/0000 which appears to reflect as 02/00/0000... no day? <br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 18:58, 22 February 2007 (PST)</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Art_Is_Resistance&diff=4444Art Is Resistance2007-02-23T03:11:07Z<p>Quentin: </p>
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<div>[[Image:Art_is_Resistance.jpg|frame|Main Page]]<br />
<br />
==Website==<br />
[http://www.artisresistance.com/ http://www.artisresistance.com/]<br />
<br />
The URL for this website was found on a flyer at the Feb. 22, 2007 show in Paris, France. The logos shown on the site are consistent with the [http://www.nin.com/current/photos/2_21_07.jpg 2_21_07] image posted on the nin.com/current site. <br />
<br />
===Content===<br />
<br />
<br />
===External Links===<br />
There are two known links on the main page. The first links to a previously undiscovered thread on [[Another Version of the Truth (website)]]. The second links to a 'tools' page which provides downloads of the [[Resistance Logo]] in various formats. <br />
<br />
==Theories==<br />
"You think spray painting shit is going to make a fucking difference? All this art <br />
crap might make you feel better, but the cops are laughing their asses off as they <br />
haul you to jail. You want to make a difference, switch from .38 to .45, assholes. " - TheWarden<br />
<br />
This may relate to biblical passages:<br />
<br />
38: John said to him, "Teacher, we saw someone driving out demons in your name, and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow us."<br />
<br />
and<br />
<br />
45: And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life crippled than with two feet to be thrown into Gehenna. <br />
<br />
"b. Jan 10, 1967<br />
d. Apr 19, 1995<br />
<br />
<br />
My mom. <br />
<br />
Explain it to me, Warden. " - soonerlater<br />
<br />
These dates could be a phone number, or manipulated to find the next clue.<br />
<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
Another way to look at the numbers is that .38 to .45 is a reference to gun calibers, and not religion. Suggesting TheWarden wants them to amp up the damage.<br />
<br />
The dates given by soonerlater about his mothers death may link to the fact that on the 19th of April 1995 a truck bomb at a federal building in Oklahoma City exploded, killing 168 in an anti-government movement. It seems to fit the motive of the thread, make art not war.<br />
<br />
Info on this event can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing<br />
<br />
Something else worth mentioning is that CazzazaKid says "he just wanted to tell us AIR has flatlined, not start WW4", suggesting that World War 3 has already happened.<br />
<br />
Also note that the Artist topic linked via the Art Is Resistance website contains text in the background which when compiled is the same passage from Slaughterhouse-Five found on the Wire-Tap website.<br />
<br />
Check out the discussion page for this article for further theories and speculation.<br />
<br />
[[Category:World of Year Zero]]</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Art_Is_Resistance&diff=4442Art Is Resistance2007-02-23T03:09:34Z<p>Quentin: </p>
<hr />
<div>[[Image:Art_is_Resistance.jpg|frame|Main Page]]<br />
<br />
==Website==<br />
[http://www.artisresistance.com/ http://www.artisresistance.com/]<br />
<br />
The URL for this website was found on a flyer at the Feb. 22, 2007 show in Paris, France. The logos shown on the site are consistent with the [http://www.nin.com/current/photos/2_21_07.jpg 2_21_07] image posted on the nin.com/current site. <br />
<br />
===Content===<br />
<br />
<br />
===External Links===<br />
There are two known links on the main page. The first links to a previously undiscovered thread on [[Another Version of the Truth (website)]]. The second links to a 'tools' page which provides downloads of the [[Resistance Logo]] in various formats. <br />
<br />
==Theories==<br />
"You think spray painting shit is going to make a fucking difference? All this art <br />
crap might make you feel better, but the cops are laughing their asses off as they <br />
haul you to jail. You want to make a difference, switch from .38 to .45, assholes. " - TheWarden<br />
<br />
This may relate to biblical passages:<br />
<br />
38: John said to him, "Teacher, we saw someone driving out demons in your name, and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow us."<br />
<br />
and<br />
<br />
45: And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life crippled than with two feet to be thrown into Gehenna. <br />
<br />
"b. Jan 10, 1967<br />
d. Apr 19, 1995<br />
<br />
<br />
My mom. <br />
<br />
Explain it to me, Warden. " - soonerlater<br />
<br />
These dates could be a phone number, or manipulated to find the next clue.<br />
<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
Another way to look at the numbers is that .38 to .45 is a reference to gun calibers, and not religion. Suggesting TheWarden wants them to amp up the damage.<br />
<br />
The dates given by soonerlater about his mothers death may link to the fact that on the 19th of April 1995 a truck bomb at a federal building in Oklahoma City exploded, killing 168 in an anti-government movement. It seems to fit the motive of the thread, make art not war.<br />
<br />
Info on this event can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing<br />
<br />
Something else worth mentioning is that CazzazaKid says "he just wanted to tell us AIR has flatlined, not start WW4", suggesting that World War 3 has already happened.<br />
<br />
Also note that the Artist topic linked via the Art Is Resistance website contains text in the background which when compiled is the same passage from Slaughterhouse-Five found on the Wire-Tap website.<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:World of Year Zero]]</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Art_Is_Resistance&diff=4439Talk:Art Is Resistance2007-02-23T03:06:30Z<p>Quentin: </p>
<hr />
<div>I think the .38 to .45 is a reference to gun calibers personally, not religion. Oh and see how they mention World War 4 in there, asif world war 3 has already happened? cool.<br />
<br />
And on the 19th of April 1995 a truck bomb at Federal Building in Oklahoma City explodes, killing 168 in an anti-government movement. It seems to fit the motive of the thread, make art not war.<br />
<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing<br />
<br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 17:11, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
:The Oklahoma Bombings were also looked at as a government conspiracy to cover up other things. Therefore, the whole backdrop of the album (the U.S. Gov't wagind war on the U.S. citizens) can be seen through this event. It could be when the government started to 'wage' war on the citizens or to cover up it's own mistakes or actions... I dunno, haven't done enough research on it, but it's interesting... I have continually tried to find if anyone that was killed in the bombings was also born on the dates given for the child's mom... Any info? [[User:Jgrizzy89|Jgrizzy89]] 17:42, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
I believe the actual identy of the childs mother is unimportant, the dates just there to link us to the bombing. Year Zero is a fictional environment, so i think the point of mentioning a real world incident would be to tie current real-world events to the possible grim future of Year Zero and give it some weight. Possibly the whole idea behind Year Zero is to give us a glimpse of hell, then point out what's really going on in the world that's driving us to a similar fate, and what we should do about it.<br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 17:56, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
This is probably a -really- big stretch, but in the dates listed, if you add up the digits of the first few numbers (1,10, 1967), it adds up to... 24 (1 + 1 + 9 + 6 + 7). If you then look at "Apr 19, 1995" seperate that into "Apr 19" and "1995", convert April to it's month number (4) and add up the digits to the first one (4 + 1 + 9), you end up with 14. The sum of the last few digits (1 + 9 + 9 + 5) are also 24, leaving you with 24.14.24. Total stretch, but track 14 on Year Zero is Another Version of the Truth, the fourteenth character being the last one: 'h'.<br />
<br />
Thats a pretty good observation, especially considering that a code number hasn't been found relating to the new sites as of yet. One more thing about that site is the dates all read 02/03/000 in both the posts and the reproductions in the background, unlike on the rest of the forum where 02/10/0000 is reflected as 02/04/0000. An exception to this though is Iridium's post where 02/03/0000 which appears to reflect as 02/00/0000... no day? <br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 18:58, 22 February 2007 (PST)</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Art_Is_Resistance&diff=4436Talk:Art Is Resistance2007-02-23T02:58:13Z<p>Quentin: </p>
<hr />
<div>I think the .38 to .45 is a reference to gun calibers personally, not religion. Oh and see how they mention World War 4 in there, asif world war 3 has already happened? cool.<br />
<br />
And on the 19th of April 1995 a truck bomb at Federal Building in Oklahoma City explodes, killing 168 in an anti-government movement. It seems to fit the motive of the thread, make art not war.<br />
<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing<br />
<br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 17:11, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
:The Oklahoma Bombings were also looked at as a government conspiracy to cover up other things. Therefore, the whole backdrop of the album (the U.S. Gov't wagind war on the U.S. citizens) can be seen through this event. It could be when the government started to 'wage' war on the citizens or to cover up it's own mistakes or actions... I dunno, haven't done enough research on it, but it's interesting... I have continually tried to find if anyone that was killed in the bombings was also born on the dates given for the child's mom... Any info? [[User:Jgrizzy89|Jgrizzy89]] 17:42, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
I believe the actual identy of the childs mother is unimportant, the dates just there to link us to the bombing. Year Zero is a fictional environment, so i think the point of mentioning a real world incident would be to tie current real-world events to the possible grim future of Year Zero and give it some weight. Possibly the whole idea behind Year Zero is to give us a glimpse of hell, then point out what's really going on in the world that's driving us to a similar fate, and what we should do about it.<br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 17:56, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
This is probably a -really- big stretch, but in the dates listed, if you add up the digits of the first few numbers (1,10, 1967), it adds up to... 24 (1 + 1 + 9 + 6 + 7). If you then look at "Apr 19, 1995" seperate that into "Apr 19" and "1995", convert April to it's month number (4) and add up the digits to the first one (4 + 1 + 9), you end up with 14. The sum of the last few digits (1 + 9 + 9 + 5) are also 24, leaving you with 24.14.24. Total stretch, but track 14 on Year Zero is Another Version of the Truth, the fourteenth character being the last one: 'h'.<br />
<br />
Thats a pretty good observation, especially considering that a code number hasn't been found relating to the new sites as of yet.--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 18:58, 22 February 2007 (PST)</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Art_Is_Resistance&diff=4434Art Is Resistance2007-02-23T02:53:18Z<p>Quentin: </p>
<hr />
<div>[[Image:Art_is_Resistance.jpg|frame|Main Page]]<br />
<br />
==Website==<br />
[http://www.artisresistance.com/ http://www.artisresistance.com/]<br />
<br />
The URL for this website was found on a flyer at the Feb. 22, 2007 show in Paris, France. The logos shown on the site are consistent with the [http://www.nin.com/current/photos/2_21_07.jpg 2_21_07] image posted on the nin.com/current site. <br />
<br />
===Content===<br />
<br />
<br />
===External Links===<br />
There are two known links on the main page. The first links to a previously undiscovered thread on [[Another Version of the Truth (website)]]. The second links to a 'tools' page which provides downloads of the [[Resistance Logo]] in various formats. <br />
<br />
==Theories==<br />
"You think spray painting shit is going to make a fucking difference? All this art <br />
crap might make you feel better, but the cops are laughing their asses off as they <br />
haul you to jail. You want to make a difference, switch from .38 to .45, assholes. " - TheWarden<br />
<br />
This may relate to biblical passages:<br />
<br />
38: John said to him, "Teacher, we saw someone driving out demons in your name, and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow us."<br />
<br />
and<br />
<br />
45: And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life crippled than with two feet to be thrown into Gehenna. <br />
<br />
"b. Jan 10, 1967<br />
d. Apr 19, 1995<br />
<br />
<br />
My mom. <br />
<br />
Explain it to me, Warden. " - soonerlater<br />
<br />
These dates could be a phone number, or manipulated to find the next clue.<br />
<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
Another way to look at the numbers is that .38 to .45 is a reference to gun calibers, and not religion. Suggesting TheWarden wants them to amp up the damage.<br />
<br />
The dates given by soonerlater about his mothers death may link to the fact that on the 19th of April 1995 a truck bomb at Federal Building in Oklahoma City exploded, killing 168 in an anti-government movement. It seems to fit the motive of the thread, make art not war.<br />
<br />
Info on this event can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing<br />
<br />
Something else worth mentioning is that CazzazaKid says "he just wanted to tell us AIR has flatlined, not start WW4", suggesting that World War 3 has already happened.<br />
<br />
Also note that the Artist topic linked via the Art Is Resistance website contains text in the background which when compiled is the same passage from Slaughterhouse-Five found on the Wire-Tap website.<br />
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[[Category:World of Year Zero]]</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:U.S._Wiretap&diff=4424Talk:U.S. Wiretap2007-02-23T02:13:54Z<p>Quentin: Call me crazy...</p>
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<div>I think it's a bad idea to include theories within the text of a transcript, I'm removing the speculative text regarding the AngrySniper as I find it confusing. --[[User:ItsJustDave|ItsJustDave]] 06:48, 20 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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I completely agree, nice catch. Each of these pages should be kept to FACTS, not speculation, as there are the speculation pages for that. --[[User:warped909|warped909]] 14:06, 20 February 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Call me crazy... ==<br />
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Reading the last part of the transcript about an agent who crys orange tears leads me to think of Agent Orange, a herbicide used by the US in Vietnam which affected both sides causing cancer and birth defects. Why I'm lead down this trail of thought is because I once read an article where a woman affected by agent orange said "we have continued to cry orange tears since the war.". I'm not sure if thats just some kind of metaphor, or an actual side affect of being poisoned with it. Anyways, relevant or not it still is another instance of a government hurting its people, which is what I think this whole Year Zero concept is about.<br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 18:13, 22 February 2007 (PST)</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Art_Is_Resistance&diff=4417Talk:Art Is Resistance2007-02-23T01:56:31Z<p>Quentin: answer</p>
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<div>I think the .38 to .45 is a reference to gun calibers personally, not religion. Oh and see how they mention World War 4 in there, asif world war 3 has already happened? cool.<br />
<br />
And on the 19th of April 1995 a truck bomb at Federal Building in Oklahoma City explodes, killing 168 in an anti-government movement. It seems to fit the motive of the thread, make art not war.<br />
<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing<br />
<br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 17:11, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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:The Oklahoma Bombings were also looked at as a government conspiracy to cover up other things. Therefore, the whole backdrop of the album (the U.S. Gov't wagind war on the U.S. citizens) can be seen through this event. It could be when the government started to 'wage' war on the citizens or to cover up it's own mistakes or actions... I dunno, haven't done enough research on it, but it's interesting... I have continually tried to find if anyone that was killed in the bombings was also born on the dates given for the child's mom... Any info? [[User:Jgrizzy89|Jgrizzy89]] 17:42, 22 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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I believe the actual identy of the childs mother is unimportant, the dates just there to link us to the bombing. Year Zero is a fictional environment, so i think the point of mentioning a real world incident would be to tie current real-world events to the possible grim future of Year Zero and give it some weight. Possibly the whole idea behind Year Zero is to give us a glimpse of hell, then point out what's really going on in the world that's driving us to a similar fate, and what we should do about it.<br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 17:56, 22 February 2007 (PST)</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Art_Is_Resistance&diff=4410Art Is Resistance2007-02-23T01:34:07Z<p>Quentin: /* Theories */</p>
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<div>[[Image:Art_is_Resistance.jpg|frame|Main Page]]<br />
<br />
==Website==<br />
[http://www.artisresistance.com/ http://www.artisresistance.com/]<br />
<br />
The URL for this website was found on a flyer at the Feb. 22, 2007 show in Paris, France. The logos shown on the site are consistent with the [http://www.nin.com/current/photos/2_21_07.jpg 2_21_07] image posted on the nin.com/current site. <br />
<br />
===Content===<br />
<br />
<br />
===External Links===<br />
There are two known links on the main page. The first links to a previously undiscovered thread on [[Another Version of the Truth (website)]]. The second links to a 'tools' page which provides downloads of the [[Resistance Logo]] in various formats. <br />
<br />
==Theories==<br />
"You think spray painting shit is going to make a fucking difference? All this art <br />
crap might make you feel better, but the cops are laughing their asses off as they <br />
haul you to jail. You want to make a difference, switch from .38 to .45, assholes. " - TheWarden<br />
<br />
This may relate to biblical passages:<br />
<br />
38: John said to him, "Teacher, we saw someone driving out demons in your name, and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow us."<br />
<br />
and<br />
<br />
45: And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life crippled than with two feet to be thrown into Gehenna. <br />
<br />
"b. Jan 10, 1967<br />
d. Apr 19, 1995<br />
<br />
<br />
My mom. <br />
<br />
Explain it to me, Warden. " - soonerlater<br />
<br />
These dates could be a phone number, or manipulated to find the next clue.<br />
<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
Another way to look at the numbers is that .38 to .45 is a reference to gun calibers, and not religion. Suggesting TheWarden wants them to amp up the damage.<br />
<br />
The dates given by soonerlater about his mothers death may link to the fact that on the 19th of April 1995 a truck bomb at Federal Building in Oklahoma City exploded, killing 168 in an anti-government movement. It seems to fit the motive of the thread, make art not war.<br />
<br />
Info on this event can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing<br />
<br />
Something else worth mentioning is that CazzazaKid says "he just wanted to tell us AIR has flatlined, not start WW4", suggesting that World War 3 has already happened.<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:World of Year Zero]]</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Art_Is_Resistance&diff=4409Art Is Resistance2007-02-23T01:28:53Z<p>Quentin: </p>
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<div>[[Image:Art_is_Resistance.jpg|frame|Main Page]]<br />
<br />
==Website==<br />
[http://www.artisresistance.com/ http://www.artisresistance.com/]<br />
<br />
The URL for this website was found on a flyer at the Feb. 22, 2007 show in Paris, France. The logos shown on the site are consistent with the [http://www.nin.com/current/photos/2_21_07.jpg 2_21_07] image posted on the nin.com/current site. <br />
<br />
===Content===<br />
<br />
<br />
===External Links===<br />
There are two known links on the main page. The first links to a previously undiscovered thread on [[Another Version of the Truth (website)]]. The second links to a 'tools' page which provides downloads of the [[Resistance Logo]] in various formats. <br />
<br />
==Theories==<br />
"You think spray painting shit is going to make a fucking difference? All this art <br />
crap might make you feel better, but the cops are laughing their asses off as they <br />
haul you to jail. You want to make a difference, switch from .38 to .45, assholes. " - TheWarden<br />
<br />
This may relate to biblical passages:<br />
<br />
38: John said to him, "Teacher, we saw someone driving out demons in your name, and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow us."<br />
<br />
and<br />
<br />
45: And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life crippled than with two feet to be thrown into Gehenna. <br />
<br />
"b. Jan 10, 1967<br />
d. Apr 19, 1995<br />
<br />
<br />
My mom. <br />
<br />
Explain it to me, Warden. " - soonerlater<br />
<br />
These dates could be a phone number, or manipulated to find the next clue.<br />
<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
Another way to look at the numbers is that .38 to .45 is a reference to gun calibers, and not religion. Suggesting TheWarden wants them to amp up the damage.<br />
<br />
The dates given by soonerlater about his mothers death may link to the fact that on the 19th of April 1995 a truck bomb at Federal Building in Oklahoma City exploded, killing 168 in an anti-government movement. It seems to fit the motive of the thread, make art not war.<br />
<br />
Info on this event can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing<br />
<br />
Something else worth mentioning is that CazzazaKid says "he just wanted to tell us AIR has flatlined, not start WW4", suggesting that World War 3 has allready happened.<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:World of Year Zero]]</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Art_Is_Resistance&diff=4408Art Is Resistance2007-02-23T01:26:55Z<p>Quentin: theory explained</p>
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<div>[[Image:Art_is_Resistance.jpg|frame|Main Page]]<br />
<br />
==Website==<br />
[http://www.artisresistance.com/ http://www.artisresistance.com/]<br />
<br />
The URL for this website was found on a flyer at the Feb. 22, 2007 show in Paris, France. The logos shown on the site are consistent with the [http://www.nin.com/current/photos/2_21_07.jpg 2_21_07] image posted on the nin.com/current site. <br />
<br />
===Content===<br />
<br />
<br />
===External Links===<br />
There are two known links on the main page. The first links to a previously undiscovered thread on [[Another Version of the Truth (website)]]. The second links to a 'tools' page which provides downloads of the [[Resistance Logo]] in various formats. <br />
<br />
==Theories==<br />
"You think spray painting shit is going to make a fucking difference? All this art <br />
crap might make you feel better, but the cops are laughing their asses off as they <br />
haul you to jail. You want to make a difference, switch from .38 to .45, assholes. " - TheWarden<br />
<br />
This may relate to biblical passages:<br />
<br />
38: John said to him, "Teacher, we saw someone driving out demons in your name, and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow us."<br />
<br />
and<br />
<br />
45: And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life crippled than with two feet to be thrown into Gehenna. <br />
<br />
"b. Jan 10, 1967<br />
d. Apr 19, 1995<br />
<br />
<br />
My mom. <br />
<br />
Explain it to me, Warden. " - soonerlater<br />
<br />
These dates could be a phone number, or manipulated to find the next clue.<br />
<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
Another way to look at the numbers is that .38 to .45 is a reference to gun calibers, and not religion. Suggesting TheWarden wants them to amp up the damage.<br />
<br />
The dates given by soonerlater about his mothers death may link to the fact that on the 19th of April 1995 a truck bomb at Federal Building in Oklahoma City exploded, killing 168 in an anti-government movement. It seems to fit the motive of the thread, make art not war.<br />
<br />
Info on this event can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:World of Year Zero]]</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Art_Is_Resistance&diff=4406Art Is Resistance2007-02-23T01:18:40Z<p>Quentin: /* Theories */</p>
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<div>[[Image:Art_is_Resistance.jpg|frame|Main Page]]<br />
<br />
==Website==<br />
[http://www.artisresistance.com/ http://www.artisresistance.com/]<br />
<br />
The URL for this website was found on a flyer at the Feb. 22, 2007 show in Paris, France. The logos shown on the site are consistent with the [http://www.nin.com/current/photos/2_21_07.jpg 2_21_07] image posted on the nin.com/current site. <br />
<br />
===Content===<br />
<br />
<br />
===External Links===<br />
There are two known links on the main page. The first links to a previously undiscovered thread on [[Another Version of the Truth (website)]]. The second links to a 'tools' page which provides downloads of the [[Resistance Logo]] in various formats. <br />
<br />
==Theories==<br />
"You think spray painting shit is going to make a fucking difference? All this art <br />
crap might make you feel better, but the cops are laughing their asses off as they <br />
haul you to jail. You want to make a difference, switch from .38 to .45, assholes. " - TheWarden<br />
<br />
This may relate to biblical passages:<br />
<br />
38: John said to him, "Teacher, we saw someone driving out demons in your name, and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow us."<br />
<br />
and<br />
<br />
45: And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life crippled than with two feet to be thrown into Gehenna. <br />
<br />
"b. Jan 10, 1967<br />
d. Apr 19, 1995<br />
<br />
<br />
My mom. <br />
<br />
Explain it to me, Warden. " - soonerlater<br />
<br />
These dates could be a phone number, or manipulated to find the next clue.<br />
<br />
*Check the Discussion Page for Further Theories.*<br />
<br />
[[Category:World of Year Zero]]</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Art_Is_Resistance&diff=4405Art Is Resistance2007-02-23T01:14:51Z<p>Quentin: /* Theories */</p>
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<div>[[Image:Art_is_Resistance.jpg|frame|Main Page]]<br />
<br />
==Website==<br />
[http://www.artisresistance.com/ http://www.artisresistance.com/]<br />
<br />
The URL for this website was found on a flyer at the Feb. 22, 2007 show in Paris, France. The logos shown on the site are consistent with the [http://www.nin.com/current/photos/2_21_07.jpg 2_21_07] image posted on the nin.com/current site. <br />
<br />
===Content===<br />
<br />
<br />
===External Links===<br />
There are two known links on the main page. The first links to a previously undiscovered thread on [[Another Version of the Truth (website)]]. The second links to a 'tools' page which provides downloads of the [[Resistance Logo]] in various formats. <br />
<br />
==Theories==<br />
"You think spray painting shit is going to make a fucking difference? All this art <br />
crap might make you feel better, but the cops are laughing their asses off as they <br />
haul you to jail. You want to make a difference, switch from .38 to .45, assholes. " - TheWarden<br />
<br />
This may relate to biblical passages:<br />
<br />
38: John said to him, "Teacher, we saw someone driving out demons in your name, and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow us."<br />
<br />
and<br />
<br />
45: And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life crippled than with two feet to be thrown into Gehenna. <br />
<br />
"b. Jan 10, 1967<br />
d. Apr 19, 1995<br />
<br />
<br />
My mom. <br />
<br />
Explain it to me, Warden. " - soonerlater<br />
<br />
These dates could be a phone number, or manipulated to find the next clue.<br />
<br />
Check the Discussion Page for Further Theories.<br />
<br />
[[Category:World of Year Zero]]</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Art_Is_Resistance&diff=4401Talk:Art Is Resistance2007-02-23T01:11:00Z<p>Quentin: Check this out</p>
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<div>I think the .38 to .45 is a reference to gun calibers personally, not religion. Oh and see how they mention World War 4 in there, asif world war 3 has already happened? cool.<br />
<br />
And on the 19th of April 1995 a truck bomb at Federal Building in Oklahoma City explodes, killing 168 in an anti-government movement. It seems to fit the motive of the thread, make art not war.<br />
<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing<br />
<br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 17:11, 22 February 2007 (PST)</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Art_Is_Resistance&diff=4395Talk:Art Is Resistance2007-02-23T01:04:53Z<p>Quentin: change yo theory</p>
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<div>I think the .38 to .45 is a reference to gun calibers personally, not religion. Oh and see how they mention World War 4 in there, asif world war 3 has already happened? cool.<br />
--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 17:04, 22 February 2007 (PST)</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:The_Presence&diff=4161Talk:The Presence2007-02-22T04:05:24Z<p>Quentin: </p>
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<div>Another pointless theory :- The photographs of the Presence, excluding the "fake photograph", appear to be right handed. So does the spectograph image found with My Violent Heart. Could this imply that the presence is essentially the right hand of God? It was said somewhere (not on the year zero related websites) that with his left hand God is said to care for and protect life on earth, where as with the right hand righteous relationships with God are restored. So is God flexing his authority in the form of the presence as an attempt to regain balance in the world? A couple of things that my disprove this idea is the fact there is no obvious thumb on the presence, and that the scribble of the presence in the consolidated mail seems to be left handed...<br />
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--[[User:Quentin|Quentin]] 20:05, 21 February 2007 (PST)</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:The_Presence&diff=4160Talk:The Presence2007-02-22T04:02:40Z<p>Quentin: right hand of GOD</p>
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<div>Another pointless theory :- The photographs of the Presence, excluding the "fake photograph", appear to be right handed. So does the spectograph image found with My Violent Heart. Could this imply that the presence is essentially the right hand of God? It was said somewhere (not on the year zero related websites) that with his left hand God is said to care for and protect life on earth, where as with the right hand righteous relationships with God are restored. So is God flexing his authority in the form of the presence as an attempt to regain balance in the world? A couple of things that my disprove this idea is the fact there is no obvious thumb on the presence, and that the scribble of the presence in the consolidated mail seems to be left handed...</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:The_Presence&diff=4158Talk:The Presence2007-02-22T04:01:26Z<p>Quentin: omfg the right hand of god?</p>
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<div>Another pointless theory :- The photographs of the Presence, excluding the "fake photograph", appear to be right handed. So does the spectograph image found with My Violent Heart. Could this imply that the presence is essentially the right hand of God? It was said somewhere that with his left hand God is said to care for and protect life on earth, where as with the right hand righteous relationships with God are restored. So is God flexing his authority in the form of the presence as an attempt to regain balance in the world? A couple of things that my disprove this idea is the fact there is no obvious thumb on the presence, and that the scribble of the presence in the consolidated mail seems to be left handed...</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:ZeroTheories&diff=4153Talk:ZeroTheories2007-02-22T02:36:31Z<p>Quentin: rambling</p>
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<div>From what I hear nothing happened at the concert in Bilbao, Spain, like the theories suggested. However, the date of the concert, 2_16_07, is the same date that NiN announced on their website that Survivalism is being played on radio stations nation wide. This could either complete the theory surrounding the hobbit text, or completely throw us off the track of its intended purpose.</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Another_Version_Of_The_Truth_(website)&diff=4150Talk:Another Version Of The Truth (website)2007-02-22T01:36:32Z<p>Quentin: Cool.</p>
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<div>Have a look at the "Act's Of Resistance" topic on the another version of the truth site. Above ChicagoAnon's third entry you can start to see a reproduction of the post's date in the backdrop. From that point down I swear I see the reproducted dates reading 02/04/0000 instead of the dates actual post 02/10/0000. The visible times remain the same. I'm not sure if this has been noted already, and if it may just be an error in design. This is also frequent in other topics of the site, aswell as typed over the date on the "cops murder muslim kid" topic in the main forum. Also note in the fractured reproduction of the "Violent Resistance" topic at the base of the main forum also reads 02/04/0000. Does this mean that all posts were done on this date?<br />
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== yup ==<br />
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You're right. Just below the actual post. 02/04/000 12:32. <br />
And just below Chicago's previous post, you can see the numbers 02/04.<br />
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And in the very first post on that topic, just above the first line, you can see the numbers 14/0000/06 - whatever that means, if it means anything.<br />
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== Cool. ==<br />
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I wonder then if that Slaughterhouse-five novel's time travel theme has something to do with the altered dates. I've never read it myself. Oh yeah and on the main forum the zero in the ten looks more like an O to me, being different to the rest of the zero'sin the date. Anyways... What I'm really trying to do atm is see if i can find the new image components from yearzero.nin.com in any of the other pages. Anyone found them yet?</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Another_Version_Of_The_Truth_(website)&diff=4138Talk:Another Version Of The Truth (website)2007-02-22T01:11:57Z<p>Quentin: </p>
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<div>Have a look at the "Act's Of Resistance" topic on the another version of the truth site. Above ChicagoAnon's third entry you can start to see a reproduction of the post's date in the backdrop. From that point down I swear I see the reproducted dates reading 02/04/0000 instead of the dates actual post 02/10/0000. The visible times remain the same. I'm not sure if this has been noted already, and if it may just be an error in design. This is also frequent in other topics of the site, aswell as typed over the date on the "cops murder muslim kid" topic in the main forum. Also note in the fractured reproduction of the "Violent Resistance" topic at the base of the main forum also reads 02/04/0000. Does this mean that all posts were done on this date?</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Another_Version_Of_The_Truth_(website)&diff=4135Talk:Another Version Of The Truth (website)2007-02-22T01:05:05Z<p>Quentin: Intended date difference?</p>
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<div>Have a look at the "Act's Of Resistance" topic on the another version of the truth site. Above ChicagoAnon's third entry you can start to see a reproduction of the post's date in the backdrop. From that point down I swear I see the reproducted dates reading 02/04/0000 instead of the dates actual post 02/10/0000. The visible times remain the same. I'm not sure if this has been noted already, and if it may just be an error in design. This is also frequent in other topics of the site, aswell as typed over the date on the "cops murder muslim kid" topic in the main forum.</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Another_Version_Of_The_Truth_(website)&diff=4134Talk:Another Version Of The Truth (website)2007-02-22T01:04:07Z<p>Quentin: Intended date difference?</p>
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<div>Have a look at the "Act's Of Resistance" topic on the another version of the truth site. Above ChicagoAnon's third entry you can start to see a reproduction of the post's date in the backdrop. From that point down I swear I see the reproducted dates reading 02/04/0000 instead of the dates actual post 02/10/0000. The visible times remain the same. I'm not sure if this has been noted already, and if it may just be an error in design. This is also frequent on other topic of the site, aswell as typed over the date on the "cops murder muslim kid" topic in the main forum.</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Another_Version_Of_The_Truth_(website)&diff=4133Talk:Another Version Of The Truth (website)2007-02-22T00:57:57Z<p>Quentin: Intended date difference??</p>
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<div>Have a look at the "Act's Of Resistance" forum on the another version of the truth site. Above ChicagoAnon's third entry you can start to see a reproduction of the post's date in the backdrop. From that point down I swear I see the reproducted dates reading 02/04/0000 instead of the dates actual post 02/10/0000. The visible times remain the same. I'm not sure if this has been noted already, and if it may just be an error in design.</div>Quentinhttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Yearzero.nin.com&diff=3990Talk:Yearzero.nin.com2007-02-21T03:44:33Z<p>Quentin: yearzero.nin.com further background change</p>
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<div>The background image has changed again beside the track "Me, i'm not", the most recently leaked track.</div>Quentin