Talk:The Mailstrom

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Guys, when adding new wreckage/shard entries, try to stick to the format that's being used in other entries:

 wreckage: wreckage
 shard: shard

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Thank you. S3phiroth 09:44, 2 April 2007 (PDT)

Let me add, I think we need to include behind each wreckage if there is a text excerpt or not. If there isn't one, we should make a point to state that to create a sense of completeness. Further more we should dilligently make sure all text excerpts are found and cataloged. I will catagorize all the banned books (and perhaps why) and the excerpts of them from the site on the World of Year Zero Fact Sheet. --Velvolver 09:01, 3 April 2007 (PDT)


dug around and posted what i could find on the site so far. haven't tried any bruteforcing yet, i might do that at work if i can cut some time between things. (work up at a major registrar, so, lots of web tools readily on hand) --Killjoy 01:01, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

If anyone has a photo of the buttons given out in Minneapolis it would be greatly appreciated.Leo3375 15:39, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

Trinity Episcopalian

mentioned in the email communication, most of the sites when mentioning things capitalized like this, or with a legit sounding company/organisation name, seem to be provisions for new websites. haven't had luck yet. any help would be great! --Killjoy 01:01, 12 March 2007 (PDT)


Could there be more mailboxes accessible on Consolidated, perhaps hinted at by the captured email chain? I tried some obvious ones but got nothing. Perhaps someone else is more inspired than I at guessing possible mailboxes to try? Or maybe this is just another rathole? --Mr z 09:23, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Following the thinking, is it possible some of the username/passwords from other sites (or hidden text on other sites) may access if used as damage/shard inputs, I'm going to try and collect some of it and see if anything pops up, same with the mailbox idea! --killjoy 09:38, 12 March 2007 (PDT)


the name "mailstrom" is a play on the word maelstrom[1]

which can be defined:

maelstrom \MAYL-struhm\, noun:
1. A large, powerful, or destructive whirlpool.
2. Something resembling a maelstrom; a violent, disordered, or turbulent state of affairs.

--LiquidVanity 11:27, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Case Insensitive

I just did some minor experimenting with the existing known Wreckage/Shard combos, and it appears they're case insensitive. That shrinks our search space. --Mr z 10:23, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

"Wreckage" equals classification?

The first wreckage/shard pair has "gallows" as the wreckage. In that opening statement, we also read: "Whether or not you agree with what was done to the informer after we intercepted this email..." implying they did something bad. They likely killed (maybe they hanged?) the informer. The second successful wreckage/shard pair has "gasoline" as the wreckage. In that shard, we find a mother who cannot get to her child in part because her old gasoline-only engine seized up and she couldn't complete the mandatory child-rearing classes she was assigned. We currently have a wreckage, "sickle", that lacks a shard. If sickle's a reference to Communism, then perhaps there's a clue somewhere around Be The Hammer? --Mr z 13:11, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

Speaking of links between wreckage names, note the definition of "atropine":
A poisonous, bitter, crystalline alkaloid, C17H23NO3, obtained from belladonna and other related plants. It is used to dilate the pupils of the eyes and as an antispasmodic. (courtesy The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition)
So atropine directly links back to 2 other wreckages, "belladonna" & "bitter", as well as being a possible reference to Opal (its effects on the eyes) &/or Parepin (antispasmodic = calms certain organs down, in a sense...ok, maybe this one is a stretch ;). (For the hell of it, Skinny Puppy fans may also note that another word for "antispasmodic" is "spasmolytic". Probably no connection to the ARG, but hey.) And in keeping with the death-related imagery of many of the wreckages, atropine is named for Atropos, the Fate in Greek mythology who decides how we all die.
Not going to dissect (heh) all the other wreckages here, except to point out that "wetwork" is a slang term for assassination (especially by government intelligence operatives), and "corrida" means "bullfight" in Spanish. Vestanpance 03:31, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

Hints in URLs?

The images unique to the gasoline/uuu891 page all begin with "rb5x1zzz". This is too long to be a shard if all shards are 6 characters. (That seems to be a common theme, across both The Mailstrom and U.S. Wiretap.) But is that the case, or is just a randomized filename to make it harder to find through brute force search? --Mr z 13:11, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

I updated the main page with my findings on the image file names; the above e-mail and the original are the only ones where I couldn't figure out the pattern. All of the rest seem to conform to the l33t naming scheme. Could be a clue, or it could just mean that they only implemented the scheme after the first two.

By the way, does anyone know of any tools capable of backtracing html pages that include the found images belonging to unfound pages? --Lastgunslinger 21:17, 22 March 2007 (PDT)


For the fun of it, i ran this through google and got an intersting .gov result; a list of dØ files from Fermilab (a particle accelerator facility here in Illinois)

It's probably all unrelated, but they are searching for the Higgs Boson ("God Particle") and most of their research has implications on time travel. (as well, some diagrams of their work resemble the SBI Pilgrims Diags.)

Puzzle away! --killjoy 16:58, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

Please stay where you are. The appropriate Bureau of Morality agents will be there shortly to commence with your reeducation. Thank you.  ;-) --Mr z 05:38, 15 March 2007 (PDT)
haha, too late! ;-P --killjoy 14:39, 15 March 2007 (PDT)
hmm, looks like they're doing plenty of homework, there's reference to Fermilab on the Pilgrims/SBI pages (where the double slit diagrams and such are lurking around.) amusing, i was just reading about all this stuff a few months ago, now they're using it to make a story! --killjoy 09:26, 16 March 2007 (PDT)
another reference lies in John of Boston; his last name (according to his ninwiki page) has something to do with Fermilab. i thought nothing more when i read it, but seeing the name 'Fermilab' here again here i thought it might be worth mentioning, no? --d


Looks like in 0000, spam is alive and well. And, it looks like nerochips have been around awhile. --Mr z 05:31, 16 March 2007 (PDT)

Newest Threads Info

On the slander wreckage page, whatever we call them... one of the screen names is HeMingWei, which is btw, a obvious link to Hemingway... Which means more on this page (as well as the others) link to more of the whole theory of people sending illegal material back to the past (err... the present)... Continuing my search through these pages... Jgrizzy89 19:59, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

Also, the board that the members are apart of is called Tianhua, the Celestial Kingdom... and the Celestial Kingdom was seem by John The Revelator, and according to the wikipedia article on The Celestial Kingdom, it is the residing place for God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy-Spirit, and that anyone that is worthy to dwell in this area will be exalted and become God-like... which ironically is why Lucifer was cast out of heaven, because he wanted to be God-like...
All of this for some reason feels like it relates back to the whole John of Boston, prophet thing... Jgrizzy89 20:18, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

corrida shard

I don't know if it's important, but the Tower, Star, Moon, Sun, and Judgement are references to Tarot cards. The Tower is a sudden, cataclysmic downfall of false institutions or beliefs (with the implication of leaving room for soemthing new to be built). The Star is hope, healing, and renewal (not necessarily immediately, though, more like, unexpected help will be coming). The Moon is illusions, imagination, madness, intuition, dreams, inspiration from the unconscious. The Sun is vitality, glory, triumph, truth, intellect. And Judgement is rebirth, total change, accepting the past and leaving it comepletely behind. Mikhyel 16:10, 24 March, 2007


I know that this may be a dumb question, but i'll ask it anyway. Can we get any pics of these buttons, to have a little clue what they look like, beside the text descriptions?--Guts 08:05, 27 March 2007 (PDT)

I'm not sure how to incorporate this into ninwiki, maybe someone could figure it out, but I do have pics to all but 2 of the buttons on ETS [2] MadCactus 11:05, 1 April 2007 (PDT)
I've just taken the liberty of uploading my scans of each of the buttons I've got. The can be found here [3]. If someone would incorporate them into the page, it'd be appreciated. ItsJustDave 12:33, 3 April 2007 (PDT)
Nice formatting. Wish I were clever cookies like you guys.--Guts 13:30, 04 April 2007 (EST)

The Maelstrom: Marshall McLuhan/ Edgar Allen Poe?

Possible connection, perhaps--

"The Descent into the Maelstrom" is a short story by Edgar Allen Poe; it also influenced the twentieth-century thinker Marshall McLuhan, whose studies of the effects of mass media on the human psyche were highly controversial in the mid 1900s.

Here's an excerpt from the article about Poe's short story on Wikipedia: "It is couched as a story within a story, a tale told at the summit of a mountain climb. The story is told by an old man who reveals that he only appears old - "You suppose me a very old man," he says, "but I am not. It took less than a single day to change these hairs form a jetty black to white, to weaken my limbs, and to unstring my nerves." The narrator, convinced by the power of the whirlpools he sees in the ocean beyond, is then told of the "old" man's recent fishing trip with his two brothers. Their ship was caught in the vortex. One brother is pulled into the waves; the other is driven mad by the horror of the spectacle. At first the narrator only sees hideous terror in the spectacle, and feels helpless. Then, as a moment of revelation, he sees that the Maelstrom is a beautiful and awesome creation. Then, observing how objects around him are pulled into it, he deduces that "the larger the bodies, the more rapid their descent" and that spherical-shaped objects are pulled in the slowest. He abandons ship and holds on to a cylindrical barrel until he is saved several hours later. He tells the narrator the story without any hope that he will believe it"

The movie/documentary "McLuhan's Wake" also talks alot about the "maelstrom" of mass media, modernity, and technological advancement-- McLuhan himself warned of the consequences of these new phenomena on humanity.

Any thoughts?

Speculation re: the name of the Nerochip...

EDIT: Whoops, didn't see the section on the Nerochip before I hit the Talk topic. Sorry about that.

Spore shard taken from ETS board

Just so the geniouses at ETS stop calling me a plant, I noticed that "spore" was added to the list, but the content was not update, so I went to the site, excited to see something new, and put up the content here. Actually, Nineinchtool included the password. I'm not trying to take any "plantish" credit. Lulu 08:31, 1 April 2007 (PDT)

Our apologies Lulu. We would like to know were pQw2pP came from. It's not on a button from my list at ETS, and as far as I know, no one's figured a shard independent of the buttons. It's great to get new info, but if anyone knows some sort of method of deriving shards please share. Knowing this might help match the remaining shards and wreckages. MadCactus 11:00, 1 April 2007 (PDT)
It's no big deal. But I would be interested in knowing any methods for finding the final combinations, too. Lulu 15:57, 1 April 2007 (PDT)
Maybe it was also found trough brute force like the new belladonna shard (i did mention it when i added it).S3phiroth 09:42, 2 April 2007 (PDT)
I'd doubt it was found through brute force, brute forcing shards is one thing, but forcing wreckage is far too time consuming (on the order of 100 years or so). Where's this NineInchTool guy anyways, he's not the same user that's on ETS. ItsJustDave 14:51, 3 April 2007 (PDT)

Cleaver Wreckage

Well, how did they get away with out airing that on the year zero TV screen. that picture is great though. how would they explian it. it's quite disturbing when you think about it.

Daytona 500 email

I'm not the definitive Nascar expert, but that certainly doesn't look like the shape or organization of the current Daytona 500 track. Its actually a picture of Dover international speedway, The Monster Mile. Probably from September of 2006.

Here is a similar picture:

Click on section 112-116 to see the picture.

Grantzprice 11:53, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

Daytona Florida is most likely underwater in YZ, most likely they moved it. Good observation. --Velvolver 11:37, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

I think Daytona is usually in early Feb in YZ and the Hurricane Boaz is supposed to be in Feb sometime as well, it may be that the race was before the flood. Also it doesn't say the Daytona 500 was the race, I mis typed, it just says it was a race at the Daytona track. Perhaps the Presence was the precursor to the hurricane. Grantzprice 12:54, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

While that picture is similar to the one in the wreckage, I don't think the one in the email is that picture photoshopped. Waeayovooo 11:26, 16 April 2007 (PDT)

wreckage venom

Hi, this is my first time posting, not sure if i'm out of line... from what i've seen, there is no mention on this page of where the word fragments on wreckage venom come from. Have i missed it somehow? I'm not sure, but i have a gut feeling that it's from burroughs (william S.) somewhere. just a hunch, really. in any case, his work would fit well into year zero context.

Not quite related, but interesting

The terminology "wreckage" and "shard" resonated with me oddly when I bumped into this website named Shards Poems which are poems about war. Not part of the ARG and not related to NIN in any way. But chilling nonetheless. Some of the poems sound like they could have come from Year Zero. This one rings well w/ God Given. --Mr z 16:08, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Needs Organized/Maintenance

This page needs organized... The order in which the content shows up is one way, but the buttons section goes differently... Also, There are a couple of pages that don't have descriptions: regret, hubris come to mind... I'm going to list the two nonactive ones in the same way the others are described... Any help with the other two?

I'll can remove the background text in each of the descriptions at least, but I'm beginning to think the descriptions themselves are redundant. They're not much shorter than the emails on the page itself and theres a bit of pointless speculation. IMO we should remove the descriptions and just organize the chart, or move the descriptions to their own page. I have a feeling we're going to get a continual stream of new wreckages/shards over the next year and this page will get WAY too huge.
As for the background text quotes you can just toss off a link to the corrisponding sections in the Year Zero Banned Media page i'm working on (which will also have the reverse link back to this page and the actual shard page).
BurnHavoc 17:42, 14 April 2007 (PDT)

I REALLY like the idea of moving Shard Summaries to a new page... I will help out on that if you're up to it... but for now - I'm off to bed! Will do in the morning if it's started or what-not (cuz I too believe we will be getting a crap load of wreckage/shards until part 2 + the movie are released...) Jgrizzy89 20:11, 14 April 2007 (PDT)

Recommend keeping the title and author of the banned text with the summaries (wherever those end up). The banned text page is a good idea, and links are a no-brainer, but an additional line for quick reference will help keep people from "discovering" a new banned text weeks after it was found. Won't a wreckage summary page also grow quite large? If we're worried about large pages, why don't we just create a page for each wreckage? -- MadCactus 10:45, 15 April 2007 (PDT)
It's not so much I'm worried about large pages as I'm worried about one page having information about several things, one of which takes up 95% of the page drowning out the rest of the information. A seperate wreckage/shard page is good, with a link to each text in the format of
[[Year_Zero_Banned_Media#Book_Name|Book Name by Author]]
at the bottom of each description. We also have to condense the descriptions, some are longer than the text of the email itself. IMO, create a seperate page with only the wreckage/shard details on it, and each one will have a Description, a link to the Banned Media Text, and a list of Connections that link the email to other theories/facts that relate. BurnHavoc 15:09, 15 April 2007 (PDT)
I'm dumb, for some reason I completely forgot about the whole renaming the link thing (even though I've been doing it all day). Looks like a great idea. And wherever the summaries go is no big deal to me, I was just throwing that out there. -- MadCactus 15:18, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

Yeah, but making a seperate site for every wreckage/shard just makes it harder to find the actual information on the wiki as well. I think the premise we should work on is: One page for one topic focus. So the Mailstrom focus should be on the Mailstrom as a whole, and the Wreckage/Shard page should be on the details of individual Wreakage/Shards. I'd do it, but I have 2 books to read/memoirze for 8am tomorow morning for an exam :/ I'll be back to editing by tuesday afternoon. BurnHavoc 15:28, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

New Shard info?

The try again page on the Mailstrom (when you mess up with a wreckage or shard) is not the same page as the one linked to on the new shard thing titled "Pain"... I tried it and everything was in normal grammar, but then I realized that the page linked is only slightly different, it has an underscore in between try and again (try_again) instead of the one that pops up when you do it straight from the page (tryagain)... How was this discovered??? Jgrizzy89 19:12, 16 April 2007 (PDT)

i dont know who how it was found originally. but the lack of info was bothering me so i found the page url on ETS but I relized after some dumb luck that if you type in pain only and hit submit this page is displayed. ylbissop

Really not so special it seems... Type "pain" into the Mail Storm Wreckage, click submit, then it pretty much tells you the Shard... (HTDTNA) But there may be the possibility that this same "hiding in plain sight" methodology may be used on other Year Zero websites... I will be keeping an eye out for odd inconsistancies like this. I also noticed that this is the only (known) shard to not include numbers... maybe this is an acronym, or the letters have some other importance... This merits further investigation! MeanderingBeing

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