Talk:The Downward Spiral (halo)

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I was thinking, the songs themselves are not the same entities as the halos with the same names (if not in the case of the singles, at least in the case of the LPs themselves. The Downward Spiral is clearly not the same entity as it's title track, the same goes for The Fragile, or With Teeth.)

We want this wiki to be comprehensive, don't we? Look at the Down In It pages, I think that's a good way to do things. We're not wikipedia after all. Otherwise that defeats the point of doing it at all. What do you guys think?--GrayscaleRain 09:11, 16 February 2007 (PST)

Industrial said to have brought "Industrial" music to the mainstream.

Wasn't "industrial" music already brought to the mainstream by Pretty Hate Machine, or so many claim? Pomte 21:20, 16 February 2007 (PST)

I don't think Pretty Hate Machine should be labeled as industrial. I think Broken should have that title. But, that was technically an EP, so it didn't count. I just fucking love this album, but with much controversy. ??lostiNconfusIoN?? 17:57, 17 October 2008 (PDT)
Not sure I understand how you can say Pretty Hate Machine is not industrial???Honestmistake
Trent has always avoided the genre label, aside from perhaps Broken, none of his studio music is really classifiable as what is generally accepted as "Industrial" - and as to PHM, whilst its demo was an industrial/dance cross-genre production, in reality it was just NIN - a genre in itself I'd say.
Just my two penneth. Sheepdean 10:54, 20 October 2008 (PDT)

Cystal Japan

I removed the link for Crystal Japan. I don't think it's neccessary, this isn't a David Bowie wiki. Any thoughts? -Meatball 10:53, 9 May 2007 (PDT)

Good move. --Wizfan, the man who erased the capital H 23:28, 24 September 2007 (PDT)

Oh, dear GOD!!!

For God's sake, where the *beep* is that *beep* Reptile female voice loop from, anyway? The Samples In NIN Songs page says it's from a movie called "Nekromantik", while this page says it's from "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre". In Wikipedia, the TDS article said that it's from "Massacre" a year ago, but then somebody changed it to "Nekromantik". I tried searching at, but others said it's from "Nekromantik" and others said that it's from "Massacre".

DAMN! WHERE THE HELL IS THAT *beep* SAMPLE FROM? I wasn't surprised that Trent performed the sample himself in AATCHB ("oooh... please... don't hurt me... please!"). --Wizfan, the man who erased the capital H 23:27, 24 September 2007 (PDT)

It's from "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" as seen here at 1:30-1:33. The end. -iantm 11:00, 5 April 2009 EST

Possible Interpretations?

Hey, I came here looking for possible interpretations of this album among many other things, and my thoughts are that people who come here might be looking for the same. While the link to that brilliant dissertation is great and all, what do you think about adding some thoughts about the concepts behind each song, on the song pages themselves or on here? -- Joel 01:40, 25 April 2008 (PDT)

Reptile production

I have a small but nerdworthy (for me, at least) question that I have not yet found the answer to. Does anyone know why Flood is credited as a producer on Reptile demo 'Liar' that appears on the Deluxe SACD edition of TDS, and on the song's album version in the credits of the original release of TDS, but the new editions only mention Mr. Reznor as a producer on the album version? --Kurry, 12 November 2008

The Downward Spiral (Instrumental)

Does anyone have any ideas as to why Trent didn't make instrumental versions of Ruiner and Big Man With A Gun when he released the rest on Kornwolf 11:58, 29 October 2009 (PDT)

nope. it's possible he meant to and didn't get to it/forgot (re: Non-Entity & NSPN multitracks), but there's been no word. — Seasonsinthesky 12:57, 30 October 2009 (PDT)


This has bugged me sinse the album first came out. Nobody has ever made a comparison between the cover art to the Beatles' "White Album" and "The Downward Spiral." Why? The White Album was the inspiration for the murders that happened in the house it was recorded in. It looks like a stained version of the "White Album" Cover. The Title's on the opposite side that the title is for "The Bealtes" and there's debris where the serial number would be. It's almost like you're looking at the cover to the "White Album" through a distorted looking glass. Also the photos of the feathers on the inside cover, start with one, then another, and then by the last page they're tied together. Like the lyrics for Blackbird, from the "White Album", "Take these broken wings, and learn to fly." which Charles Manson interpreted as the battle cry for the coming race war.

it's not white and it's not blank, ergo it looks absolutely nothing like The White Album cover. also, please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~). — Seasonsinthesky 17:14, 30 October 2009 (PDT)
It's a stained off white piece of canvas, how is that a stretch to the imagination? Piggies, written in blood on the walls of the house? I think there's more to it. but if you want to be dismissive that's cool. Biowolf15 19:34, 30 October 2009 (PDT) Biowolf15
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