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"No rest for the wicked!"
I made this page because the bible references are only a theory, so the numbers shouldn't be automatically called "bible references"
 
I have no problem with the bible references being merged into this article. I envisioned this article having more bulk - more explanations about where the numbers were found, but it turns out that there is really no need. [[User:Nympholept|Nympholept]] 10:07, 16 February 2007 (PST)
 
== Ordering? ==
Don't you guys think it would be a good idea that the order in which these numbers were found is kept track of? If they are not arbitrary numbers, some pattern may emerge from them. Even if they are bible verses or codes for letters or words, they probably would make most sense in the order they were intended to be seen in. [[User:Derwin|Derwin]] 04:50, 13 April 2007 (PDT)
: A good portion can be found in any order. Technically there are thousands of permutations of how they can be found considering what we already know about when they went live and when they were leaked in some way. IE: many were found independently or ahead of schedule, several were hidden to be found at any time, etc. There is no official order for them being found. --[[User:BurnHavoc|BurnHavoc]] 14:30, 13 April 2007 (EST)
 
::We kinda sorta have the order they were found at [[Research_Timeline|the Year Zero research timeline]]. It's not about the numbers, just an overview of when stuff was found, but you could draw the numbers from it. But like [[User:BurnHavoc|BurnHavoc]] said, we found things out of order. And you have to take into account there were some nights when multiple numbers were found. It may be difficult to determine which came first. Like the night the London mural was found, the listening parties started. The mural gave us Operation Swamp and Operation Chip Sweep, and the listening party lithos gave us Mailstrom. I couldn't tell you which event happened before the other, it all seems like it was mixed together. So, chances of a pattern based on ordering seems slim. -- [[User:MadCactus|MadCactus]] 13:43, 13 April 2007 (PDT)
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Impossible to say until we get more info. It'd be a nice, personal touch to the SBI crew if this pans out. -Dij
 
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Forgive my ignorance, but can someone please elaborate on how the numbers "correspond" with specific letters?
(e.g. 24.3.1
 
Found in the Morse Code at the end of recording found at phone number 1-216-333-1810.
 
Corresponds with the letter "s" )
 
Thanks.
--[[User:Wesker|Wesker]]
 
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I made this page because the bible references are only a theory, so the numbers shouldn't be automatically called "bible references"
 
I have no problem with the bible references being merged into this article. I envisioned this article having more bulk - more explanations about where the numbers were found, but it turns out that there is really no need. [[User:Nympholept|Nympholept]] 10:07, 16 February 2007 (PST)
 
Rearranging all the letters from the clues I have found that:
 
God given not in US war
 
can be found, does this mean anything? -velvolver
 
UPDATE: God given nation can be spelled out with WR U S left over...and with the new clue Y is there also.
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The clue for 24.15.8 is a little iffy. How can we determine that's a clue just by counting the beats? We could do that for any song. Further more, the number 8 falls out of sequence with the numbers before it, and a good amount of these numbers are sequencial. I don't think 24.15.8 is a clue without further evidence to prove it. --[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 11:13, 1 March 2007 (PST)
 
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With the new clues, the track number theory would bump year zero into having 19 tracks. I think this completely disproves that the numbers are referring to track numbers now. We need to look elsewhere than the year zero track listing and the Bible, as neither have been fruitful. --[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 11:13, 1 March 2007 (PST)
 
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The Track Number + Letter Offset theory seems weak, unless it's meant to be an anagram. The "God Given" in the text doesn't seem to surprising since (a) "God Given" is the track title of track 10, and (b) nearly all the number sequences are sequential. So the fact that "godgiven" is clearly seen in the string of "corresponding characters" shouldn't be given too much weight.--[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 17:30, 28 February 2007 (PST)
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The clue for 24.19.1 is weak, too. I don't see how that works. A screenshot would be nice backup for that one. --[[User:Tsguitar|Tsguitar]] 21:18, 28 February 2007 (PST)
 ----------  :(Kept for historic purposes I guess, but now I believe 19.1 is a clue, read below):I agree Tsguitar, the clue says that the >'s count as the number 19. Yet I don't see enough > to equate a 24, or an extra > left over for the 1. This isn't like the auto response e-mail on an earlier clue with the dashes between the 24 underscores and the other numbers. :Further more, are there clues in the HD-DVD version of BYIT? :addon: - My mistake, don't add the Brackets all together, add line per line. Example: >> 2, >>>> 4 > 1 etc...--unsigned ::I see it now. Thanks for the clarification. --[[User:Tsguitar|Tsguitar]] 22:36, 1 March 2007 (PST)
== Federal Orderly Conduct Act ==
By the way, I honestly didn't know that someone on echoing the sound already made this connection. Still worth brining it up here.
:That's an excellent idea...you should have signed that post. Perhaps each number is a part of the Act that was violated by the website. Are the websites scrambled due to being attacked by the Feds or by distortion from time travel (part of another theory).----[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 11:39, 2 March 2007 (PST)
That::Thanks. Not sure if there's an excellent idea...you should have signed that anyway to prove it now, but the last postwas mine. Perhaps each number is a part of the Act But anyway, assuming that was violated by the website. Are the websites scrambled due to being attacked by Church Of Plano is government sanctioned, why would the Feds or by distortion from time travel (part of another theory).attack it? --[[User:VelvolverAugmatic|VelvolverAugmatic]] 11:3952, 2 March 2007 (PST)
----:::You can nearly sig anything, I've left about half the sigs on my posts. But the feds attacked the church of plano?
Thanks. Not sure if there's anyway to prove it now, but the last post was mine. But anyway, assuming that the Church Of Plano is government sanctioned, why would the Feds attack it? --[[User:Augmatic|Augmatic]] 11:52, 2 March 2007 (PST) ---- You can nearly sig anything, I've left about half the sigs on my posts. But the feds attacked the church of plano? ---- ::It seems more likely to me that the Federal Orderly Conduct Act warning was just a convenient way to give us another number. Citing specific sections of the act doesn't seem particularly interesting by itself, even with the act in hand. --[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 22:19, 3 March 2007 (PST)
== Significance to /0024 ? ==
Well, Year Zero is Halo 24. Just a thought. --[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 11:09, 7 March 2007 (PST)
:I'm not sure if anyone has noticed this, but i just discovered that in the teaser trailer for year zero on the year zero website if you slow the frame rate down and look at the "presence"-during one single frame of the digital glitches in the film the numbers "/0024" appear off to the left hand side of the screen in a black bar.:I'm sure that some one else has already noticed this and this probably comes as old news to all of you, but i thought that i would do my part to contribute to the YZ research.:I also thought that all these numbers referred to the alphabet-like the nin perfect drug sticker which when spelled out read "without you everything falls apart", but after testing this theory i don't think that is correct. --[[User:nevermachine|nevermachine]] 04/16/07
== Numbers equal Dating ==
With the new site from the lithograph, mailstrom, I noticed the sent date was 06 0000. And the number on the page is 24.1.1
:I believe that the numbers could just be a way of dating the events of year zero, giving us a time line. Currently starting with mailstrom and so far ending with the operationswamp site.--[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 07:37, 12 March 2007 (PDT)
::I'm not so sure. Operation Chip Sweep is dated back in January and the site has the number 24.20.2. In contrast, Mailstrom has 24.1.1 and is also dated in January.--[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 09:47, 12 March 2007 (PDT)
* The current [[Free Rebel Art]] and [[Exterminal]] pages hint that this might actually be the case, given their text: "Pilgrim Stream: 24.2; Data in transit -" and "Pilgrim Stream: 24.7; Data in transit -" --[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 20:13, 8 April 2007 (PDT)
:Now wouldn't that just suck for all of us people that have looked ''oh'' so hard for them? :) Although I doubt Trent would go through so much trouble without going the extra mile on something that is already going to be on the page... [[User:Jgrizzy89|Jgrizzy89]] 17:59, 12 April 2007 (PDT)
== Could these be IP addresses? ==
Perhaps the numbers serve a double purpose -- a categorization system created in "real life" for the individuals who are creating the Year Zero story, and a system utilized in the Year Zero world by the Solutions Backwards Initiative. Different numbers could correspond to different pieces of data, different messages, where they were sent to in the past, et cetera. This makes more sense to me as far as mining banned books and songs. It seems that the numbers are there to denote items sent from the Solutions Backwards Initiative. [[User:Xantres|Xantres]] 16:55, 13 March 2007 (PDT)
i'm gonna agree with xantres here. but also I think they have the purpose of linking not just the storyline to itself but also the cd to the storyline i.e. track 7 is Capitol G whitch is also found on Exterminal [[User:Ylbissop|Ylbissop]] 21:04, 16 April 2007 (PDT) == chaptersChapters /articles Articles ==
here's a goofy off the wall concept, and i am probably wrong. i have been researching everything from germ theory to encryption trying to figure out this number stuff.
--[[User:Liquidvanity|LiquidVanity]] 15:26, 14 March 2007 (PDT)
<br>--<br>
I totally agree [and was just going to post the same thing after seeing how "Exhibit 24" was laid out]. Every NIN release has a Halo number. With "Year Zero" being Halo 24, it would be a logical assumption that the "24.x.y" coding merely indicates subsections of the "Year Zero" release, in such that they are part of the work as a whole.<br>
--[[User:EinTeufel|EinTeufel]] 05.02.07
 
== Misc Theories ==
Much to my amusment when i was googlesurfing i came across http://www.dpiw.tas.gov.au/inter.nsf/WebPages/CBRT-5NF7VP?open
What does it have to do with the numbers? Goal 24 on the website states "Ensure our natural resources are managed in a sustainable way now and for future generations" In Year Zero global warming has caused incredible changes in the enviroment. Probably nothing but a coincidence to a sleep deprived guy like myself (03:14 as i write this) [[User:Phillowe88|Phillowe88]] 19:16, 6 April 2007 (PDT)
 
== Just a few left ==
 
24.4 24.6 and 24.7 is all that's left. I think it's coming to a head, perhaps we'll get the law list soon if this is in fact numbers referencing it.
== Just a thought Year Zero Tracklisting Theory ==
What ifForgive my ignorance, instead of corresponding to but can someone please elaborate on how the numbers "correspond" with specific letters, they correspond to words?(e.g. 24.3.1Found in the Morse Code at the end of recording found at phone number 1-216-333- Hegemon1810.Corresponds with the letter "s" )
== Numbers corresepond with tracksThanks... ==--[[User:Wesker|Wesker]]
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I don't know if this is anything new... and I know that the theory has been bounced around, but it makes sense.
24.10.7 - e - http://www.bethehammer.net/<br>
24.10.8 - n - http://www.anotherversionofthetruth.com (CTRL + A to see it)<br>
 
Track 14 is going to be a loooong one indeed if this is true, but so far it can't be anything but this...
I really hope there's more to these numbers than just a wild goose-chase, but I'm really not seeing it.
--unsigned comment from [[User:S3an|S3an]] 06:56, 23 March 2007
 
::Rearranging all the letters from the clues I have found that "God given not in US war" can be found, does this mean anything? -velvolver --unsigned comment from [[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 16:26, 26 February 2007
 
::UPDATE: God given nation can be spelled out with WR U S left over...and with the new clue Y is there also. --unsigned comment from [[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 01:21, 25 February 2007
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The Track Number + Letter Offset theory seems weak, unless it's meant to be an anagram. The "God Given" in the text doesn't seem to surprising since (a) "God Given" is the track title of track 10, and (b) nearly all the number sequences are sequential. So the fact that "godgiven" is clearly seen in the string of "corresponding characters" shouldn't be given too much weight.--[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 17:30, 28 February 2007 (PST)
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What if, instead of corresponding to letters, they correspond to words?
- Hegemon
--unsigned comment from [[User:Hegemon|Hegemon]] 05:43, 17 March 2007
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With the new clues, the track number theory would bump year zero into having 19 tracks. I think this completely disproves that the numbers are referring to track numbers now. We need to look elsewhere than the year zero track listing and the Bible, as neither have been fruitful. --[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 11:13, 1 March 2007 (PST)
 
:I'm removing it. As there are far less than 20 tracks on Halo 24 I think we can rule it out. Sorry for anyone who got their hopes up [[User:BurnHavoc|BurnHavoc]] 02:21, 15 April 2007 (PDT)
 
::No offense, but I don't think you should remove it ''AT ALL'' - especially because it is just that - a theory... Also, who's to say that Trent won't have the next album's tracks correspond with the letters? Or if the next album's tracks will begin at the number 17? I myself don't believe this theory, but it does not mean that it shouldn't be left up for interpretation...) [[User:Jgrizzy89|Jgrizzy89]] 17:45, 16 April 2007 (PDT)
 
:::A pretty sh**ty theory, no offense. It started out plausable, but now it's outdated and more holes in it are showing every day. Just like the Bible Verse theory, started out fine, but eventually it proved fruitless. Plus it's not going to be something OBVIOUS or even something we have already such as the Bible or the halos. We'll get what the numbers reference eventually...
...or perhaps they're just there for organization and don't mean anything other than that.-[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 07:14, 17 April 2007 (PDT) :::That's an interesting idea about starting at 17, perhaps the theory belongs on the "weak leads" page now. I don't like that it has been completely removed, there was already a note that the theory was unlikely due to the numbers greater than 24.16 [[User:Nympholept|Nympholept]] 18:26, 16 April 2007 (PDT) == Misc Theories Something I noticed...==Much Unsure if this is the place to mention it, but as it has to my amusment when do with numbers in general, and it's the only spot i was googlesurfing 've noticed to do with the numbers, i came across 'm going to give it a shot.  Has anyone noticed the numbers hidden throughout the Year Zero booklet? Perhaps there is some correlation... And here they are, if they haven't been noticed, and the song/page upon which they were found.  Survivalism: 17593, 314547The Good Soldier: 179Vessel: 13971The Warning: 13971, 126871, 314687God Given: 179, 174639Meet Your Master: 139The Great Destroyer: 1365697 (?) Any thoughts? Conclusions? :: http://www.dpiwninwiki.tascom/Year_Zero#The_Booklet PLEASE look before posting! These numbers have been posted over a DOZEN times in different talk pages.govIt's getting out of hand.au/inter.nsf/WebPages/CBRT-5NF7VP?open-[[User:BurnHavoc|BurnHavoc]] 20:35, 18 April 2007 (PDT)  What does it have to do with ::: During the numbersOSR video, Neil keeps mentioning 241, then 11. 24.1.11? Goal :::: The OSR meeting has been confirmed as 24 on the website states "Ensure our natural resources are managed in a sustainable way now and for future generations" In Year Zero global warming has caused incredible changes in the enviroment. Probably nothing but a coincidence to a sleep deprived guy like myself 11.2 (03:14 as i write thissee [[Year_Zero_Numbers#24.11.2]]) --[[User:Phillowe88BurnHavoc|Phillowe88BurnHavoc]] 1921:1620, 6 20 April 2007 (PDT)
== Just a few left "No rest for the wicked!" ==
24Okay, I know that the Year Zero quest is over, but I just remembered a mysterious message Trent posted on [http://nin.com/tr nin.4 24com/tr]: "No rest for the wicked!".6 "No" has two letters and 24"rest" has four.7 is all that's left. I think it's coming Is this phrase the key to a headanother Year Zero number? --[[User:Wizfan|Wizfan]] 07:51, perhaps we'll get the law list soon if this is in fact numbers referencing it.24 July 2007 (PDT)
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