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The number of fingers on the hand in the vision is unclear; photographs of the phenomenon suggest that it has four, but other media, such as the drawing in [[nooneimportant]]'s mailbox or the [[:Image:MVH_lin.gif|spectrographic image]] contained in [[My Violent Heart]], clearly show five.
The Presence concepts comed from some part of lyrics in a song The Wretched in album "The Fragile".
''"The clouds will part and the sky cracks open''
''And god himself will reach his fucking arm through''
''Just to push you down''
''Just to hold you down''"''
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